Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965075AbWHOSmG (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:42:06 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965095AbWHOSmF (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:42:05 -0400 Received: from s2.yuriev.com ([69.31.8.140]:51124 "HELO s2.yuriev.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S965075AbWHOSmB (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:42:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:33:00 -0400 From: alex@yuriev.com To: Willy Tarreau Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: How to find a sick router with 2.6.17+ and tcp_window_scaling enabled Message-ID: <20060815183300.GC15957@s2.yuriev.com> References: <44E1F0CD.7000003@everytruckjob.com> <20060815180634.GB15957@s2.yuriev.com> <20060815181938.GK8776@1wt.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060815181938.GK8776@1wt.eu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1225 Lines: 25 On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 08:19:39PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote: > > This is absolutely not correct. Routers forward packets. They do not mangle > > the data in them. > > Believe it or not, there are a lot of routers nowadays that can do NAT. > And even for very basic NAT, you have to recompute the TCP checksum, which > means that you mangle data within the packet. Even worse, some of them are > able to NAT complex protocols such as FTP and for this, they need to mangle > the application payload. OK, this should not be the router's job, but it's > often the best placed to do the job, and there is customer demand for this. Just because you are using a Linksys/Netgear or god else knows what to mangle your packets and call that device a router does not mean that normal service providers have NAT enabled on their GSRs and Junipers. The issue is not in a router running IOS somewhere. The issue is in the broken code/broken driver/broken something on the end-point. Alex - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/