Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:16a7:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id gp39csp474724pxb; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 04:44:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz3UUUKTTyCSY9YRKL/x9Ho54haxyDmXlVKYo8z2SKg4+ekCSF7ofkCI2+stbzFaUfK1Zj+ X-Received: by 2002:a50:a441:: with SMTP id v1mr21242317edb.30.1604407494074; Tue, 03 Nov 2020 04:44:54 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1604407494; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=m6ebcwe460F6vih+jtli8EpfZSPxjZrTyJNaaAZJdCXNzvVbTGXEh+YQiIsSMScK0K OLIpyhsA7lF1DEh27ypiKl6NkvG/RxRKnIhiGJ42hMBhJJzN7zCX9ARkHbXIoLhwDyU8 6zfzL2lLh8ONDoQLdWndCBQM931ekRRw5kZpNY8czc2V7DIZCv+AJE+8aJbVeV8ts14g icYdSpunl9IyKuKUZh+KD/liMAtF9jKrOuinJ/ujDPqSpG6j2p8hlni7CaBGCgSF3Tul c/+rvSX/hbotdMNa36mqtdDWmrOWU8SMOW9xY2iIJrw0OG/AB1EunaviXycfza3nEpV9 CeIg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version :references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=6f5zsBk5YylDMxx74UBy71wfBw3zngWFu4GpmVhfnMY=; b=ENDu+4K3AmpNWDkMl0RjwhkrvbZTBraJR+cA7KokG0oE8uzbnqAdkEDororAAag1Mw tQvSrlytxndnMHDSCqHgITVk846fSHCbuJ2nNN65BtIisfjl56cJfIUMWbpqhu6hXCAi +3G2un85CAUrxRTHCX7ii3w/qR1jk+vQYjmYxBkdECxe25U0Uc5Rc+JuzCLUeruJmCul KnwlEWGZDQaBL/OjDPKVZR3A9EPwwqu2tzBBi4FNYl3149S9iUzF3QEjuad80+whPG3I HjXpepfpwhxtzFINtuswqWxoRqhqykbpF4K84eanxeTELVpSO/WloPvOSnPpUB+So6pe VKPw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c24si13578876edy.580.2020.11.03.04.44.31; Tue, 03 Nov 2020 04:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728243AbgKCMmm (ORCPT + 99 others); Tue, 3 Nov 2020 07:42:42 -0500 Received: from mx2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:42622 "EHLO mx2.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726581AbgKCMmm (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Nov 2020 07:42:42 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.221.27]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D46EAC6F; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 12:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 13:43:23 +0100 From: Cyril Hrubis To: Thomas Gleixner Cc: Carlos O'Donell , Zack Weinberg , Dmitry Safonov , Andrei Vagin , GNU C Library , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: [Y2038][time namespaces] Question regarding CLOCK_REALTIME support plans in Linux time namespaces Message-ID: <20201103124323.GA8061@yuki.lan> References: <20201030110229.43f0773b@jawa> <20201030135816.GA1790@yuki.lan> <87sg9vn40t.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> <72bbb207-b041-7710-98ad-b08579fe17e4@redhat.com> <87h7qbmqc3.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> <7bb5837f-1ff6-2b2c-089e-e2441d31ddb2@redhat.com> <87k0v7kwdc.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87k0v7kwdc.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi! > Virtualization is the right answer to the testing problem and if people > really insist on running their broken legacy apps past 2038, then stick > them into a VM and charge boatloads of money for that service. Let me just emphasise this with a short story. Before I release LTP I do a lot of pre-release testruns to make sure that all tests works well on a different distributions and kernel versions. Before I wrote a script that automated this[1] i.e. runs all the tests in qemu and filters out the interesting results it took me a few days of manual labor to finish the task. Now I just schedulle the jobs and after a day or two I get the results. Even if the tested kernel crashes, which happens a lot, the machine is just restarted automatically and the testrun carries on with a next test. All in all the work that has been put into the solution wasn't that big to begin with it took me a week to write a first prototype from a scratch. [1] https://github.com/metan-ucw/runltp-ng -- Cyril Hrubis chrubis@suse.cz