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Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 12/21] x86/pti: Use PTI stack instead of trampoline stack
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Date:   Thu, 19 Nov 2020 20:10:46 +0100
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On Mon, Nov 16 2020 at 19:10, Alexandre Chartre wrote:
> On 11/16/20 5:57 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 6:47 AM Alexandre Chartre
>> <alexandre.chartre@oracle.com> wrote:
> When executing more code in the kernel, we are likely to reach a point
> where we need to sleep while we are using the user page-table, so we need
> to be using a per-thread stack.
>
>> I can't immediately evaluate how nasty the page table setup is because
>> it's not in this patch.
>
> The page-table is the regular page-table as introduced by PTI. It is just
> augmented with a few additional mapping which are in patch 11 (x86/pti:
> Extend PTI user mappings).
>
>>  But AFAICS the only thing that this enables is sleeping with user pagetables.
>
> That's precisely the point, it allows to sleep with the user page-table.

Coming late, but this does not make any sense to me.

Unless you map most of the kernel into the user page-table sleeping with
the user page-table _cannot_ work. And if you do that you broke KPTI.

You can neither pick arbitrary points in the C code of an exception
handler to switch to the kernel mapping unless you mapped everything
which might be touched before that into user space.

How is that supposed to work?

Thanks,

        tglx