Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18;
Date:   Fri, 4 Dec 2020 12:10:05 -0400
From:   Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To:     Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
Cc:     Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
        linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
        Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
        Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
        David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
        Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
        Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
        Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
        Tyler Hicks <tyhicks@linux.microsoft.com>,
        mike.kravetz@oracle.com, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
        Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
        Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
        David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
        John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] prohibit pinning pages in ZONE_MOVABLE
Message-ID: <20201204161005.GD5487@ziepe.ca>
References: <20201202052330.474592-1-pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
 <20201204035953.GA17056@js1304-desktop>
 <CA+CK2bCD7XYyJB9TNZZeUMAuntotZopVYNjDXnyVZyzKe2_A1Q@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <CA+CK2bCD7XYyJB9TNZZeUMAuntotZopVYNjDXnyVZyzKe2_A1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Precedence: bulk

On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 10:55:30AM -0500, Pavel Tatashin wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:03 PM Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 02, 2020 at 12:23:24AM -0500, Pavel Tatashin wrote:
> > > When page is pinned it cannot be moved and its physical address stays
> > > the same until pages is unpinned.
> > >
> > > This is useful functionality to allows userland to implementation DMA
> > > access. For example, it is used by vfio in vfio_pin_pages().
> > >
> > > However, this functionality breaks memory hotplug/hotremove assumptions
> > > that pages in ZONE_MOVABLE can always be migrated.
> > >
> > > This patch series fixes this issue by forcing new allocations during
> > > page pinning to omit ZONE_MOVABLE, and also to migrate any existing
> > > pages from ZONE_MOVABLE during pinning.
> >
> > I love what this patchset does, but, at least, it's better to consider
> > the side-effect of this patchset and inform it in somewhere. IIUC,
> > ZONE_MOVABLE exists for two purposes.
> >
> > 1) increasing availability of THP
> > 2) memory hot-unplug
> >
> > Potential issue would come from the case 1). They uses ZONE_MOVABLE
> > for THP availability and hard guarantee for migration isn't required
> > until now. So, there would be a system with following congifuration.
> >
> > - memory layout: ZONE_NORMAL-512MB, ZONE_MOVABLE-512MB
> > - memory usage: unmovable-256MB, movable pinned-256MB, movable
> >   unpinned-512MB
> >
> > With this patchset, movable pinned should be placed in ZONE_NORMAL so
> > 512MB is required for ZONE_NORMAL. ZONE_NORMAL would be exhausted and
> > system performance would be highly afftect according to memory usage
> > pattern.
> >
> > I'm not sure whether such configuration exists or not, but, at least,
> > it's better to write down this risk on commit message or something
> > else.
> 
> Yes, this indeed could be a problem for some configurations. I will
> add your comment to the commit log of one of the patches.

It sounds like there is some inherent tension here, breaking THP's
when doing pin_user_pages() is a really nasty thing to do. DMA
benefits greatly from THP.

I know nothing about ZONE_MOVABLE, is this auto-setup or an admin
option? If the result of this patch is standard systems can no longer
pin > 80% of their memory I have some regression concerns..

Jason