Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751501AbWIANrz (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:47:55 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751499AbWIANry (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:47:54 -0400 Received: from wohnheim.fh-wedel.de ([213.39.233.138]:49076 "EHLO wohnheim.fh-wedel.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751469AbWIANrx (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:47:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:44:25 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Engel To: David Woodhouse Cc: "Randy.Dunlap" , Roman Zippel , Adrian Bunk , Stefan Richter , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig , David Howells , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/17] BLOCK: Make it possible to disable the block layer [try #2] Message-ID: <20060901134425.GA32440@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> References: <20060829122501.GA7814@infradead.org> <44F44639.90103@s5r6.in-berlin.de> <44F44B8D.4010700@s5r6.in-berlin.de> <44F5DA00.8050909@s5r6.in-berlin.de> <20060830214356.GO18276@stusta.de> <1157069717.2347.13.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <20060831174852.18efec7e.rdunlap@xenotime.net> <1157074048.2347.24.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1157074048.2347.24.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1683 Lines: 41 On Thu, 31 August 2006 18:27:27 -0700, David Woodhouse wrote: > > I edit .config but still have to use 'make oldconfig' afterwards. And it > screws me over because of all this 'select' nonsense. This used to > work... > sed -i /^CONFIG_SCSI=/d .config > yes n | make oldconfig > > So "make *config" certainly isn't optimised for me, although of course I > do have to use it. It seems to be increasingly optimised for Aunt > Tillie. Coming from you, the Aunt Tillie argument doesn't make more sense than it did coming from ESR. The actual problem existed before select just as it does afterwards. People have to search extensively though Kconfig files to come up with a useful .config. Before people had to magically know that USB_STORAGE requires SCSI. "Magically" because USB_STORAGE didn't show up in either make menuconfig, make xconfig or .config. Now people have to magically know that SCSI=n requires USB_STORAGE=n. You have the exact same problem and it has nothing to do with Aunt Tillie. What this shows is that select was a bad idea, as it merely shifted the problem around instead of fixing it. It appears as if Stefan is looking in the right direction for a decent fix and I'd like to see patches from him. If only to stop these bad analogies ESR tried to argue with. :) J?rn -- It is better to die of hunger having lived without grief and fear, than to live with a troubled spirit amid abundance. -- Epictetus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/