Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750706AbWIASJu (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:09:50 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750710AbWIASJu (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:09:50 -0400 Received: from pasmtpb.tele.dk ([80.160.77.98]:27624 "EHLO pasmtp.tele.dk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750706AbWIASJt (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:09:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:14:35 +0200 From: Sam Ravnborg To: Stefan Richter Cc: Adrian Bunk , =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Engel , David Woodhouse , "Randy.Dunlap" , Roman Zippel , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig , David Howells , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/17] BLOCK: Make it possible to disable the block layer [try #2] Message-ID: <20060901181435.GA21187@uranus.ravnborg.org> References: <20060830214356.GO18276@stusta.de> <1157069717.2347.13.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <20060831174852.18efec7e.rdunlap@xenotime.net> <1157074048.2347.24.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <20060901134425.GA32440@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> <44F85267.1000607@s5r6.in-berlin.de> <20060901161920.GB32440@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> <20060901163403.GC18276@stusta.de> <44F8732B.8080102@s5r6.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44F8732B.8080102@s5r6.in-berlin.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1601 Lines: 38 On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 07:51:39PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote: > > It will get difficult to entirely please users who don't use these > interfaces to .config. We have a number of more or less friendly interfaces to configure the kernel. Yet some people prefer to directly modify the .config. That is fine let them do so. But to get an overview over the sometimes complex logic thay have to turn to move powerfull tools such as menuconfig. Editing .config is a second class citizen way of configuring the kernel, and menuconfig is first class IMHO. So enhancing the .config file to express the dependencies is not the way forward. We should do this in menuconfig (and friends) and let users use the dedicated interface to edit their kernel configuration using the dedicated tools and not by editing .config. Much of the discussion are centered about "select" which is indeed ugly are in some cases ill-used. But prime issue is that using select makes it hard to un-select certain configuration items. And avoiding select makes it un-intuitive to enable some configuration items. So we simple needs to: 1) Make is easy to un-select selected configuration items by unselecting the relevant items 2) Make it possible to select 'non-visible' options by providing a way to satisfy the dependencies. And maybe 2) makes select almost obsolete.. Sam - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/