Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:50:53 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:50:44 -0500 Received: from unthought.net ([212.97.129.24]:59096 "HELO mail.unthought.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:50:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:50:30 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jakob_=D8stergaard?= To: Alexander Viro Cc: John Levon , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Daniel Phillips , Tim Jansen Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff] Message-ID: <20011104205030.P14001@unthought.net> Mail-Followup-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jakob_=D8stergaard?= , Alexander Viro , John Levon , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Daniel Phillips , Tim Jansen In-Reply-To: <20011104200452.L14001@unthought.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from viro@math.psu.edu on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:29:06PM -0500 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:29:06PM -0500, Alexander Viro wrote: > > > On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, [iso-8859-1] Jakob %stergaard wrote: > > > I'm a little scared when our VFS guy claims he never heard of excellent > > programmers using scanf in a way that led to parse errors. > > I've seen excellent programmers fscking up use of && and ||. > > I've also seen quite a few guys coming (from their experience) to > the conclusions that look an awful lot similar to mine. Like, say it, > dmr and ken. Or Linus. Or Rob Pike. Or Brian Kernighan. > > And frankly, when I hear about "typed" interfaces, two things come to > mind - "typed files" and CORBA. Both - architectural failures. Architectural failures like "C" or "C++" for example. Strong type information (in one form or the other) is absolutely fundamental for achieving correctness in this kind of software. You can't just have a "data thingy" and hope your "operator thingys" do what you suppose they do, and that your "storage thingy" has enough room for what you shovel into it. C has types for a reason. C++ improved the type system for a reason. Perl and PHP programs have run-time failures for a reason. -- ................................................................ : jakob@unthought.net : And I see the elder races, : :.........................: putrid forms of man : : Jakob ?stergaard : See him rise and claim the earth, : : OZ9ABN : his downfall is at hand. : :.........................:............{Konkhra}...............: - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/