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Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff]
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On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:29:06PM -0500, Alexander Viro wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, [iso-8859-1] Jakob %stergaard wrote:
> 
> > I'm a little scared when our VFS guy claims he never heard of excellent
> > programmers using scanf in a way that led to parse errors.
> 
> I've seen excellent programmers fscking up use of && and ||.
> 
> I've also seen quite a few guys coming (from their experience) to
> the conclusions that look an awful lot similar to mine.  Like, say it,
> dmr and ken.  Or Linus.  Or Rob Pike.  Or Brian Kernighan.
> 
> And frankly, when I hear about "typed" interfaces, two things come to
> mind - "typed files" and CORBA.  Both - architectural failures.

Architectural failures like "C" or "C++" for example.

Strong type information (in one form or the other) is absolutely fundamental
for achieving correctness in this kind of software.

You can't just have a "data thingy" and hope your "operator thingys" do
what you suppose they do, and that your "storage thingy" has enough room
for what you shovel into it.

C has types for a reason.  C++ improved the type system for a reason.  Perl
and PHP programs have run-time failures for a reason.

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