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Subject: Re: Linux 5.11-rc1
From:   Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at>
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On Sat, 2021-01-02 at 12:26 +0100, Sedat Dilek wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 12:05 PM Bernd Petrovitsch
> <bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2021-01-02 at 10:13 +0100, Sedat Dilek wrote:
> > [...]
> > > To be honest I wondered why there were no more reports on this.
> > 
> > Perhaps I'm not the only one who has /sbin and /usr/sbin in the
> > $PATH of normal accounts too (and idk what's the default
> > behaviour of distributions is - my .bashrc "fixes" the
> > $PATH).
> 
> I was thinking more towards maxim/dictum:
> "Never break userspace!" or "It worked before but now it is not."

But if userspace changed (and that could be a change by the
distribution which the user isn't aware) than ...

> Think of automated kernel build and test setups based on Debian.
> 
> Debian/testing AMD64 has...
OK.
> [ /etc/login.defs ]
> 
> # *REQUIRED*  The default PATH settings, for superuser and normal users.
> #
> # (they are minimal, add the rest in the shell startup files)
> ENV_SUPATH
> PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
> ENV_PATH        PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games

Well, "minimal" and /usr/local/games:/usr/games ...
/usr/local/* is the next ...

Yes, it's hard for the distribution to "guess" the local admins
habits and policies ....

> IMHO users should not need to fix their environment.
> ( The discussion is a bit obsolete as we now have a fix. )

FWIW, I have no (and don't see any) problems simply appending
/sbin:/usr/sbin to the $PATH in/for the kernel's scripts.

MfG,
	Bernd
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