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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:21:47 +0200
From: Petko Manolov <petkan@dce.bg>
Organization: Deltacom Electronics
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To: Yann Dirson <ydirson@altern.org>
CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, petkan@spct.net, mingo@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Inconsistencies in 3dNOW handling
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You already have good answer from Arjan van de Ven.
I'm about to submit a patch for string-486.h where
3Dnow! support will be removed. It is not needed as
routines in this file expect 486 or older 586.

Anyway, i'm in doubt if this file will be ever used.


	Petkan


Yann Dirson wrote:
> 
> Looking at what the CONFIG_X86_USE_3DNOW config option in 2.40.-test10
> enables, I find a couple of strange things.  This led me through a
> small high-level audit of 3DNOW/MMX stuff.
> 
> Hopefully someone will be able to explain or to confirm whether the
> points I highlight are indeed bugs.  I'd value some comments before
> starting to change this :}
> 
> - CONFIG_MK6 is described as "K6/K6-II/K6-III", and CONFIG_MK7 as
> "Athlon/K7".  Of these two, only the latter defines
> CONFIG_X86_USE_3DNOW, although K6-II and K6-III do provide 3DNOW
> instructions.  We even find in strings-486.h a comment saying:
> 
>         This CPU favours 3DNow strongly (eg AMD K6-II, K6-III, Athlon)
> 
> OTOH, string.h only says:
> 
>  *      This CPU favours 3DNow strongly (eg AMD Athlon)
> 
> page.h says:
> 
>  *      On older X86 processors its not a win to use MMX here it seems.
>  *      Maybe the K6-III ?
> 
> Gasp.  Would it or not in the end be useful to add a CONFIG_MK6II
> option that would enable 3DNOW ?
> 
> - In all places where 3DNOW is tested (strings-486.h, page.h), only
> MMX-specific funcs are used (_mmx_memcpy mostly, mmx_{clear,copy}_page)
> 
> page.h says:
> 
>  *      On older X86 processors its not a win to use MMX here it seems.
>  *      Maybe the K6-III ?
> 
> mmx.[ch] say:
> 
>  *      MMX 3Dnow! helper operations
> 
> So do they use MMX or 3Dnow after all ?  They are distinct processor
> features, aren't they ?
> 
> If this option is really just meant to enable MMX stuff, let's just
> call it by its name
> 
> Some doc about that should be written - I'll gladly do that once I've
> gathered the info.  Some Documentation/i386/MMX file maybe, or in
> mmx.c.  But this info won't be easily found anyway if we keep using
> 3DNOW as a name for the config option...  Objections ?
> 
> - mmx.c says:
> 
>         Checksums are not a win with MMX on any CPU
>         tested so far for any MMX solution figured
> 
> This would be better to have the list of tested CPUs here.  Does
> someone have this list ?
> 
> - there is even a CONFIG_X86_USE_3DNOW_AND_WORKS option, that would
> enable MMX in __generic_copy-{to,from}_user
> (arch/i386/lib/usercopy.c).  There is no comment about why this code
> was disabled.
> 
> This code uses the following test to trigger MMX use:
> 
>                 if(n<512)
>                         __copy_user(to,from,n);
>                 else
>                         mmx_copy_user(to,from,n);
> 
> ... whereas string{,-486}.h use the following test to trigger MMX use:
> 
>         if(len<512 || in_interrupt())
>                 return __constant_memcpy(to, from, len);
>         return _mmx_memcpy(to, from, len);
> 
> Could this be the cause of the problem ?
> 
> You'll also have noticed the inconsistent naming in 2 highly similar
> pieces of code.
> 
> - BTW, what does this 512 stand for ?  Especially as it's used in
> several places, a #define would seem nice at first glance.
> 
> - In mmx.c, function naming and ordering really seems inconsistent.
> Or is there a reason for a "zero/clear" duality ?
> 
> - drivers/md/xor.c says:
> 
>         certain CPU features like MMX can only be detected runtime
> 
> I'm not sure how much this relates to the above, but I'd say a MMX
> config option could be used for this ?  Or a common detection routine
> that other drivers could use ?
> 
> --
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