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Subject: Re: Reply to [RFC PATCH v2 0/1] Adding support for IIO SCMI based
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 11:26:59 +0000
Cristian Marussi <cristian.marussi@arm.com> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 10:29:17AM +0000, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 23:09:20 +0000
> > Jyoti Bhayana <jbhayana@google.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > Hi Jonathan,
> > >   
> > > > So, sensor_max_range can effectively be exposed as a combination of
> > > > scale and the *_raw_avail for a raw read (via the read_avail callback in IIO).
> > > > We'll ignore the fact the interface assumes a single value (so I assume symmetric?)    
> > > 
> > > Based on the SCMI specification the sensor min range and max range are 64 bits signed number.
> > > 
> > > looks like IIO_AVAIL_RANGE can only take the following
> > > types of data which all looks like 32 bit. IIO_VAL_FRACTIONAL
> > > also takes two int type numbers.
> > > How can I send 64 bit sensor range using this and read_avail callback?
> > > 
> > > #define IIO_VAL_INT 1
> > > #define IIO_VAL_INT_PLUS_MICRO 2
> > > #define IIO_VAL_INT_PLUS_NANO 3
> > > #define IIO_VAL_INT_PLUS_MICRO_DB 4
> > > #define IIO_VAL_INT_MULTIPLE 5
> > > #define IIO_VAL_FRACTIONAL 10
> > > #define IIO_VAL_FRACTIONAL_LOG2 11
> > > #define IIO_VAL_CHAR 12  
> > 
> > Hmm It is a bit unfortunate that SCMI decided to pretend that real sensor resolutions were
> > greater than 32 bits. I doubt they will ever actually be any (as such accurate measurements
> > are completely pointless) and they aren't anywhere near that today.  Only way it might end
> > up looking a bit like that would be result of a highly non linear sensor being shoved through
> > an interface that pretends it isn't (goody).
> >   
> 
> We shared this info internally to involve our architects about this.
> 
> > Having said that, specifications are what they are and we have to cope with that.
> > 
> > There is no real problem with defining a new value type except for the fact that any
> > legacy userspace won't necessarily expect to see values that large. Given we need the full
> > 64 bits it would have to be something like
> > IIO_VAL_INT_H32_L32 with the 64 bit values split up appropriately and put back together
> > at time of formatting.   Not particularly pretty but I'm not keep to put that much effort
> > in to support something like this for one driver (so not interesting in changing that
> > the read_raw_* interfaces)
> >   
> 
> Regarding the current spec and this IIODEV limit to 32bit, I was thinking about
> the following horrid thing (:D) as a solution: given that as of now no sensor
> exist in real life reporting bigger than 32bits values, instead of adding new
> defines in IIODEV framework to support 64bit that no userspace is expecting and
> no sensor will really emit ever in the foreseable future, couldn't this SCMI
> IIODEV driver simply:
> 
> - truncate silently straight away 64bit vals into 32bit when detects
>   that he upper MSB 32bit are unused (zeros or sign-extension) and in
>   fact the values fits into 32bits
> 
> - WARN and do not truncate if the upper MSB 32bit are in fact valid because
>   such a 64bit capable sensor was indeed used finally (at that point in time
>   IIODEV driver and framework will need a 64bit update)
> 
> Or I am missing something ?
> 
> Feel free to insult me about this hack ... :D 

I had a similar thought :)  But every time we do something like this someone
does something crazy like right shifting the value by 24 bits or similar.
Warning should make it obvious if we need to paper over this though.

But I'm not sure it matters in reality as this is mostly hidden away inside
the kernel.   The exposure of these values is limited to:
1) In kernel users - probably aren't any current ones for these sensors.
2) Passing to the pretty print functions that produce sysfs values.
   The risk here is existing userspace may fail to parse a number that needs
   more than 32 bits as it's never seen one before.
   However, if the numbers happen to be smaller it will be fine.  So we are storing
   up potential esoteric bugs for a long time in the future.  Hopefully any such
   userspace will report an error though!

If we do support this, I would ask that we also add a channel to the
dummy driver to allow us to easily exercise relevant code paths without having
to emulate everything needed to fake devices behind SCMI (docs on how to do that
would be good as well if there are any (assuming there is public code that does
this by now!) :)

Jonathan

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Cristian
> 
> > Jonathan
> >  
> >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jyoti
> > >   
> >