Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:2785:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id ia5csp837081pxb; Fri, 8 Jan 2021 22:01:37 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxU8hTzipZc53TgtpyeyMqwXk4k45IeAITBECcdRWYG2+KJW/ZUwgdeZ2f/nnTLETUyeQ8O X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:34ca:: with SMTP id h10mr4846200ejb.417.1610172097661; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 22:01:37 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1610172097; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=DcCVBjiZDWTyux4E+oNfDS+WLLD2FCkmf8pfg4IH0sQN69Zny77xQtIU1wv2iUMP4E VZe/+hzqY6c8huxJNvU0XWlCUGyuUHKvCl+l8LMl14awVkqTNDCX3StIW0xWmCAM262A eSF6+JyDbkgSoHvts0LeiwRICRCfjSyunE3KfUQgs3k8fT6UEn9OM2Jkacp+/5rJBnt+ IQSK6wYAbeb362MVYvMd1oTvbCt5yd+4slFvzv6iCn0PHhpUBzsvbWQsGcQHK2m2sfYm qeyUJGKE59j7VAVJXz0QJjdozrwMCrPbEfHwf0+Pl51uL20iIUvstKwXwsuAnUUW29UJ 1Cig== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=xod5aLXthHB1fi7BRO4sfR/T6TqSNW9wfeN1/Mz46kI=; b=slYmAIcGyb4y+20n576VimqmiUeT909/xe9sNPqDZKwX/8ljdX1vVsA0SVf+hMe26z UKCmONcIyn34hQLLS721+muC5fxgRdrYKziDkYCn0QYkowF+hZ62FrcGZBZxMNj+eYyz 7sRr7nVKlc6rSsbSZLDHb5BSIOrpXuOLkunFyA5dZvAZbWzLMLGXfwa6Y2LkedUO4Rbz jbyKdq1mUN7bCLBzDSsFRbWpATezocg+Y/n5GD7gZ43OdxLC7dPYhSAEUkGdJC3k+1Sw /x6shUSuFG71WK2TNd/pJboHSXxAkGo0r+h6n494Zy54BWXiq7bBUYuSi4PTtBz9rIn3 CKog== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id l20si4675504edw.0.2021.01.08.22.01.13; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 22:01:37 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726300AbhAIGAS (ORCPT + 99 others); Sat, 9 Jan 2021 01:00:18 -0500 Received: from wtarreau.pck.nerim.net ([62.212.114.60]:48972 "EHLO 1wt.eu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725852AbhAIGAR (ORCPT ); Sat, 9 Jan 2021 01:00:17 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by pcw.home.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 1095ujS9002016; Sat, 9 Jan 2021 06:56:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 06:56:45 +0100 From: Willy Tarreau To: Arnd Bergmann Cc: Linux ARM , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Krzysztof Adamski , Oleksij Rempel , Baruch Siach , Russell King - ARM Linux , Daniel Tang , Uwe =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kleine-K=F6nig?= , Jamie Iles , Barry Song , Viresh Kumar , Linus Walleij , Jonas Jensen , Marc Gonzalez , Hartley Sweeten , Lubomir Rintel , Neil Armstrong , Shawn Guo , Alex Elder , Alexander Shiyan , Koen Vandeputte , Hans Ulli Kroll , Vladimir Zapolskiy , Wei Xu , Steven Rostedt , Yoshinori Sato , Mark Salter , Michael Ellerman , Geert Uytterhoeven , Thomas Bogendoerfer Subject: Re: Old platforms: bring out your dead Message-ID: <20210109055645.GA2009@1wt.eu> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Jan 08, 2021 at 11:55:06PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > * 80486SX/DX: 80386 CPUs were dropped in 2012, and there are > indications that 486 have no users either on recent kernels. > There is still the Vortex86 family of SoCs, and the oldest of those were > 486SX-class, but all the modern ones are 586-class. These also are the last generation of fanless x86 boards with 100% compatible controllers, that some people have probably kept around because these don't age much and have plenty of connectivity. I've used an old one a few times to plug in an old floppy drive, ISA SCSI controllers to access an old tape drive and a few such things. That doesn't mean that it's a good justification not to remove them, what I rather mean is that *if* there is no benefit in dropping them maybe we can keep them. On the other hand, good luck for running a modern OS on these, when 16MB-32MB RAM was about the maximum that was commonly found by then (though if people kept them around that's probably because they were well equipped, like that 64MB 386DX I'm having :-)). Willy