Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18;
To:     Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc:     linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
References: <20210110121033.130504-1-linux@leemhuis.info>
 <6ca51584-1739-e532-d40e-e4447065ea1e@infradead.org>
 <dc2b0eaa-26e9-f686-ae7b-7e777cb3d55f@leemhuis.info>
 <5ed98052-28ea-4701-10d4-b7fde106c1fd@infradead.org>
From:   Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 (RFC)] docs: discourage users from using
 bugzilla.kernel.org
Message-ID: <ee7fc5b7-3fcb-b0a7-3ae1-b7b11e350be2@leemhuis.info>
Date:   Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:34:18 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/78.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <5ed98052-28ea-4701-10d4-b7fde106c1fd@infradead.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Precedence: bulk

Am 12.01.21 um 00:42 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> On 1/11/21 10:55 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>> Am 11.01.21 um 19:14 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
>>> On 1/10/21 4:10 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>
>>> Andrew Morton takes MM bugs and Cc:s them to linux-mm mailing list
>>> and then asks for discussion to continue on the mailing list.
>> Then what use it bugzilla here? Wouldn't it be better for people to go
>> straight to the list?
> Might as well, yes.

Yeah, and that's among the reasons why I wrote the new document on
reporting bugs/issues (which explains how to report issues by mail) and
additionally work (at least for now) towards discouraging people from
using bugzilla.kernel.org.

>> Just trying to understand things better here, as there are other things
>> that look strange to me and were mentioned in the patch description. For
>> example: Why are there only 200 products and components on
>> bugzilla.kernel.org (some of them for historic things like the
>> ac-kernels) while the MAINTAINERS file has more than 2200 entries?
> I wouldn't want a separate entry for each  SPI/GPIO/regulator/USB etc.
> device. That's just IMO...

I can relate to that view, but OTOH that would means a middleperson is
needed to get in contact with the maintainer. Which is fine concept, as
that person could be a kind of 1st level support that shields higher
level people like developers and maintainers from bad bug reports.

But I guess that would be a boring job which I nobody will do over
longer periods of time just for fun. Sure, the LF or someone else could
hire someone (see the mail from Konstantin in this thread; will reply to
that later); but I wonder if we have more pressing issues where the
money would better be spend better. And even if not: getting that money
and hiring someone would take some time...

>>> could/should probably see if we can add more project-specific
>>> mailing lists to the automatic reporting 
>> Guess that would mean taking to a lot of maintainers/mailing list admins
>> if they are okay with that. Who would do that?
> whoever is motivated to do so.

Not me. ;-) That bugzilla.kernel.org is not working to well is known for
years now, without anyone stepping up to improve the situation for real.
Maybe my work/this discussion gets something rolling. But I guess until
I see that happen I continue working towards discouraging people from
using bugzilla.kernel.org, as otherwise things will just stay as they
are, which IMHO is a bad idea with the state of things.

Ciao, Thorsten