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On Sat 09-01-21 11:46:46, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 11:33 AM Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 01:05:19PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > Side note, and not really related to UFFD, but the mmap_sem in
> > > general: I was at one point actually hoping that we could make the
> > > mmap_sem a spinlock, or at least make the rule be that we never do any
> > > IO under it. At which point a write lock hopefully really shouldn't be
> > > such a huge deal.
> >
> > There's a (small) group of us working towards that.  It has some
> > prerequisites, but where we're hoping to go currently:
> >
> >  - Replace the vma rbtree with a b-tree protected with a spinlock
> >  - Page faults walk the b-tree under RCU, like peterz/laurent's SPF patchset
> >  - If we need to do I/O, take a refcount on the VMA
> >
> > After that, we can gradually move things out from mmap_sem protection
> > to just the vma tree spinlock, or whatever makes sense for them.  In a
> > very real way the mmap_sem is the MM layer's BKL.
> 
> Well, we could do the "no IO" part first, and keep the semaphore part.
> 
> Some people actually prefer a semaphore to a spinlock, because it
> doesn't end up causing preemption issues.
> 
> As long as you don't do IO (or memory allocations) under a semaphore
> (ok, in this case it's a rwsem, same difference), it might even be
> preferable to keep it as a semaphore rather than as a spinlock.
> 
> So it doesn't necessarily have to go all the way - we _could_ just try
> something like "when taking the mmap_sem, set a thread flag" and then
> have a "warn if doing allocations or IO under that flag".
> 
> And since this is about performance, not some hard requirement, it
> might not even matter if we catch all cases.  If we fix it so that any
> regular load on most normal filesystems never see the warning, we'd
> already be golden.

Honestly, I'd *love* if a filesystem can be guaranteed that ->fault and
->mkwrite callbacks do not happen under mmap_sem (or if at least fs would
be free to drop mmap_sem if it finds the page is not already cached /
prepared for writing). Because for filesystems the locking of page fault is
really painful as the lock ordering wrt mmap_sem is exactly oposite
compared to read / write path (read & write path must be designed so that
mmap_sem can be taken inside it to copy user data, fault path may be all
happening under mmap_sem). As a result this has been a long term source of
deadlocks, stale data exposure issues, and filesystem corruption issues due
to insufficient locking for multiple filesystems.

But when I was looking at what it would take to achieve this several years
ago, fixing all GUP users to deal with mmap_sem being dropped during a
fault was a gigantic task because there were users of GUP relying on
mmap_sem being held for large code sections around the GUP call...

								Honza
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Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR