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Subject: Re: Linksys WRT54G and the GPL - What about GRSECURITY?
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Bradly Spengler continues to violate the GPL, it's fine now tho: he's 
creating his own reality and everyone is accepting it:
https://mobile.twitter.com/spendergrsec/status/1349086946560253952

He "corrects" people saying "grsec isn't gpl anymore", informing them 
he's simply "running a subscription service". This is THE reality now: 
since none of you, except for Bruce Perens, did anything. None of you 
care about free software.

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@schrotthaufen
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Jan 11
I don’t know how many hours I poured into getting my kernel config for 
grsec to work (because pebkac), and then a few years later it ceases to 
be gpl
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The biggest impediment to security on Linux is the same as Windows.  Its 
currently much too hard for the average person to deploy hardening 
policies and use hardened kernels.  The tyranny of the kernel conf 
reigns. The reality is a few Linux users will ever touch a conf
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Brad Spengler
@spendergrsec
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Jan 12
Always was GPLv2, always will be.  GPL doesn't mean "I can demand free 
work/support/warranty."  Doesn't mean you have to like decades-old 
subscription policies like Red Hat has, but neither do I like people 
making things up b/c they want something for $0.
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@schrotthaufen
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Jan 12
I may have gotten that wrong. What I meant was: “It’s not free anymore, 
and last time I inquired about licensing to end users the answer was 
‘no’”. I don’t blame you for turning it into a payed only product. If I 
was in your shoes, I’d have done the same given the circumstances.
Brad Spengler
@spendergrsec
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Jan 12
It's important to be specific about these things though, because people 
will take your words and infer certain things that simply aren't true.  
Same regarding the phrase of "licensing to end users"  -- we don't sell 
a license, we offer a subscription service.
Brad Spengler
@spendergrsec
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@schrotthaufen
Anyone who receives a copy of grsecurity, direct customer of ours or 
not, has a license to it: the GPLv2.  It may seem to be a pedantic 
point, but it's important.
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On 2021-01-17 21:58, Boris Lukashev wrote:
> Why do you send this stuff to people?
> First off, its no longer even accurate - grsec code _changes_ to Linux
> have been deemed as "never to be adopted" by Linus. Without those
> changes, their GCC plugins can't work properly, and those plugins are
> part of the build-toolchain, not the C source. So even if you gave
> them a billion dollars tomorrow, Linux would still never use the work.
> The whole GPL mess is broken, clearly, and nobody is looking to
> enforce it - industry is waiting it out till Redox and BSDs become
> more viable for production OS.
> So why send these emails? Venting purposes?
> 
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 1:03 PM <nipponmail@firemail.cc> wrote:
> 
>> Linus etc do not give a FUCK that Grsecurity is BLATANTLY violating
>> the
>> GPL. So why do you fucking retards complain about this?
>>> DURR BECUAUSE WE DON'T HAVE 2 DO ANYTHING, CAN JUST COMMISERATE
>> 
>> (
>> 
> https://perens.com/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/
>> 
>> )
> 
> --
> 
> Boris Lukashev
> Systems Architect
> Semper Victus [1]
> 
> 
> Links:
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> [1] https://www.sempervictus.com