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Date:   Fri, 22 Jan 2021 14:14:35 -0500
From:   Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To:     Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@arm.com>
Cc:     Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
        Paul McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>,
        Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
        Dietmar Eggeman <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
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        Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/fair: Rate limit calls to
 update_blocked_averages() for NOHZ
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 06:39:27PM +0000, Qais Yousef wrote:
> On 01/22/21 17:56, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > > ---
> > >  kernel/sched/fair.c | 2 +-
> > >  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > > index 04a3ce20da67..fe2dc0024db5 100644
> > > --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > > +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > > @@ -8381,7 +8381,7 @@ static bool update_nohz_stats(struct rq *rq, bool force)
> > >         if (!cpumask_test_cpu(cpu, nohz.idle_cpus_mask))
> > >                 return false;
> > >
> > > -       if (!force && !time_after(jiffies, rq->last_blocked_load_update_tick))
> > > +       if (!force && !time_after(jiffies, rq->last_blocked_load_update_tick + (HZ/20)))
> > 
> > This condition is there to make sure to update blocked load at most
> > once a tick in order to filter newly idle case otherwise the rate
> > limit is already done by load balance interval
> > This hard coded (HZ/20) looks really like an ugly hack
> 
> This was meant as an RFC patch to discuss the problem really.

Agreed, sorry.

> Joel is seeing update_blocked_averages() taking ~100us. Half of it seems in
> processing __update_blocked_fair() and the other half in sugov_update_shared().
> So roughly 50us each. Note that each function is calling an iterator in
> return. Correct me if my numbers are wrong Joel.

Correct, and I see update_nohz_stats() itself called around 8 times during a
load balance which multiplies the overhead.

Dietmar found out also that the reason for update_nohz_stacks() being called
8 times is because in our setup, there is only 1 MC sched domain with all 8
CPUs, versus say 2 MC domains with 4 CPUs each.

> Running on a little core on low frequency these numbers don't look too odd.
> So I'm not seeing how we can speed these functions up.

Agreed.

> But since update_sg_lb_stats() will end up with multiple calls to
> update_blocked_averages() in one go, this latency adds up quickly.

True!

> One noticeable factor in Joel's system is the presence of a lot of cgroups.
> Which is essentially what makes __update_blocked_fair() expensive, and it seems
> to always return something has decayed so we end up with a call to
> sugov_update_shared() in every call.

Correct.

thanks,

 - Joel

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