Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932264AbWIOVHW (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:07:22 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932266AbWIOVHW (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:07:22 -0400 Received: from opersys.com ([64.40.108.71]:39179 "EHLO www.opersys.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932264AbWIOVHV (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:07:21 -0400 Message-ID: <450B1864.5060401@opersys.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:17:24 -0400 From: Karim Yaghmour Reply-To: karim@opersys.com Organization: Opersys inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060804 Fedora/1.0.4-0.5.1.fc5 SeaMonkey/1.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ingo Molnar CC: Roman Zippel , Thomas Gleixner , Andrew Morton , Paul Mundt , Jes Sorensen , Mathieu Desnoyers , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig , Ingo Molnar , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Tom Zanussi , ltt-dev@shafik.org, Michel Dagenais Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108 References: <450AB506.30802@sgi.com> <450AB957.2050206@opersys.com> <20060915142836.GA9288@localhost.usen.ad.jp> <450ABE08.2060107@opersys.com> <1158332447.5724.423.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060915111644.c857b2cf.akpm@osdl.org> <1158348954.5724.481.camel@localhost.localdomain> <450B0585.5070700@opersys.com> <1158351780.5724.507.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060915204812.GA6909@elte.hu> In-Reply-To: <20060915204812.GA6909@elte.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1444 Lines: 29 Ingo Molnar wrote: > hm, so you dont consider the above paragraph a whine. How would you > characterize it then? A measured, balanced, on-topic technical comment? > I'm truly curious. Take it for what you want. It's yours to disparage. Consider, though, that I'm factually explaining the real-life result of resistance to static instrumentation. It's not entirely detached, I'll admit, but consider that it remained on-topic and entirely respectful of all parties involved. I've enjoyed very positive relationships with all those individuals and continue to hold them with high regard. They took the decisions they thought were best at the time, and I can only respect them for having acted as responsibly as they found relevant for their respective organizations. I don't agree with it, but that's life. It was just important to me to point out to the casual reader the source of a lot of the fud than can be found on ltt -- i.e. lots of it is marketing. For sure ltt initially got a lot of things wrong, but the progress of kernel tracing overall would have been much better had the naysayers actually chose to understand the problem instead of stonewalling the efforts being invested. Karim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/