Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751305AbWIRDd0 (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:33:26 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751321AbWIRDd0 (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:33:26 -0400 Received: from opersys.com ([64.40.108.71]:4625 "EHLO www.opersys.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751305AbWIRDdZ (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:33:25 -0400 Message-ID: <450E1860.8010301@opersys.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:54:08 -0400 From: Karim Yaghmour Reply-To: karim@opersys.com Organization: Opersys inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060804 Fedora/1.0.4-0.5.1.fc5 SeaMonkey/1.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ingo Molnar CC: Mathieu Desnoyers , Paul Mundt , linux-kernel , Ingo Molnar , Jes Sorensen , Andrew Morton , Roman Zippel , Tom Zanussi , Richard J Moore , "Frank Ch. Eigler" , Michel Dagenais , Christoph Hellwig , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Thomas Gleixner , William Cohen , "Martin J. Bligh" Subject: Re: tracepoint maintainance models References: <450D182B.9060300@opersys.com> <20060917112128.GA3170@localhost.usen.ad.jp> <20060917143623.GB15534@elte.hu> <20060917153633.GA29987@Krystal> <20060918000703.GA22752@elte.hu> <450DF28E.3050101@opersys.com> <20060918011352.GB30835@elte.hu> <450E053B.1070908@opersys.com> <20060918025722.GA11894@elte.hu> In-Reply-To: <20060918025722.GA11894@elte.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2703 Lines: 54 Ingo Molnar wrote: > Plese dont put words into my mouth. No, i dont assume they are mutually > exclusive, did i ever claim that? But i very much still claim what my > point was, and which point you disputed (at the same time also insulting > me): that even if hell freezes over, a static tracer wont be able to > extract 'x' from the MARK(event, a) markup. You accused me unfairly, you > insulted me and i defended my point. In case you forgot, here again is > the incident, in its entirety, where i make this point and you falsely > dispute it: Is this a recursive thread? Because if it is, I might as well point to my follow-up to your answer, and that's not going to get us anywhere. By no stretch of the english language did I insult you. This is a convenient fabrication which *I* could take as an insult. Calling into question a person's expertise on a given topic is by no means unheard of in the scientific discourse if said person insists on pushing an agenda using said "expertise" as the founding basis. So no, the emperor has no cloths in this case: you have de-facto proven your own expertise in this field is but very limited. Historically, and maybe you're an exception to this, individuals in the scientific community that took insult when their "expertise" was questioned, as I did in the snippet you so conveniently highlight, were usually wrong. Real experts don't need status to prove their point: they use facts. The fact that X cannot be extracted from a statically defined set containing (K,P,F,Y,Z) is high school mathematics at best. Your insistence on such a theoretical example is, for me, but further proof of your actual lack of *practical* experience. Because those with actual *practical* experience, have presented us with *facts* and empirical *results*, both highly prized in the scientific discourse, that in-real-life, contrary to Ingo's strawman constructions, users would benefit from having access to events collected using a variety of *mechanisms*. So, yes Ingo, you "wont be able to extract 'x' from the MARK(event, a) markup" using just a "static" tracer. What such emphasis on this statement on your part and utter refusal to respond to very solidly constructed arguments on my part while instead choosing to emphasize "moral" tort entails, however, is an entirely separate issue altogether. Karim -- President / Opersys Inc. Embedded Linux Training and Expertise www.opersys.com / 1.866.677.4546 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/