Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:18:52 -0400
Message-Id: <200005151618.MAA21872@tsx-prime.MIT.EDU>
From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@MIT.EDU>
To: Andries Brouwer <aeb@veritas.com>
Cc: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@MIT.EDU>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu
In-reply-to: Andries Brouwer's message of Sat, 13 May 2000 00:07:16 +0200, <20000513000716.A21182@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: Historical Archive
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   Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:07:16 +0200
   From: Andries Brouwer <aeb@veritas.com>

   Ted, your mail-archives are incomplete: in linux-activists/Volume6
   you have digests 200-298 and 365-371, and there are no 299-364.

Oops.  I'm not sure what happened there.  I must have forgotten to move
things off of the news server.  I doubt anyone still has the old
digests, but if anyone does have Volume 6 nos. 299-364, please let me
know. 

   Digest 298 is about Fri, 8 Oct 93, while Alan's stuff starts
   Wed, 13 Oct 1993. So, a few days are missing.

   But then, your digests 365-371 should show overlap with Alan's stuff,
   where you both have the period 10-12 Nov 93, and I find no such overlap.
   So, Ted has old Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU stuff,
   and Alan has owner-linux-activists%fi.hut.cs.joker@fi.hut.FINHUTC stuff,
   and at first sight these look disjoint.

Yes, they're different.  My linux-activists archives start in Jan '92,
when the joker.cs.hut.fi list was starting to melt down, and so we moved
things to alt.os.linux, with a mail/news gateway which I ran on
bloom-beacon.mit.edu (and later on senator-bedfellow.mit.edu).

Sometime during '92, the joker.cs.hut.fi lists got redone so they could
support multiple "channels" (for kernel, net, scsi, et.al discussions)
and to support greater bandwidth, and so the hard-core kernel
discussions started migrating back to the mailing list.  Of course,
still later the joker lists got moved to rutgers.  Matti, want to
comment more about the history here?

Volume0 of my archives contain my 91-92 archives of the joker.cs.hut.fi
list.  Volume1 begins the archive of the alt.os.linux archive, and after
comp.os.linux was created, everything was moved from alt.os.linux to
comp.os.linux.  This happened starting at Volume 2 of the
linux-activists archives.

Here's the first message from Volume1 of my archives, which some folks
might find of historical interest.

					- Ted

>Subject: Explanation of the new group... (and test of mail feed....)
>Reply-To: tytso@athena.mit.edu
>Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1992 00:43:38 GMT
>
>   LINUX 0.12 is a freely distributable UNIX clone.  It implements a
>subset of System V and POSIX functionality.  LINUX has been written
>from scratch, and therefore does not contain any AT&T or MINIX
>code--not in the kernel, the compiler, the utilities, or the libraries.
>For this reason it can be made available with the complete source code
>via anonymous FTP.  LINUX runs only on 386/486 AT-bus machines; porting
>to non-Intel architectures is likely to be difficult, as the kernel
>makes extensive use of 386 memory management and task primitives.
>
>Alt.os.linux is a newsgroup for discussing the development of Linux.
>The Linux-Activists@joker.cs.hut.fi mailing list currently contains over
>400 recipients, and it is melting down from overload.  Thus, the
>creation of alt.os.linux is the result of an emergency situation.  The
>expectation is that comp.os.linux will be proposed as a new newsgroup,
>and when it is created, alt.os.linux will become obsoleted by the new
>group.
>
>Like comp.lang.perl, there will be a news <-> mail digest gateway
>installed for people on the old mailing who cannot receive Usenet.  It
>is expected, however, that the vast majority of the 400+ members of
>Linux activists will be reading things via this newsgroup.
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>Theodore Ts'o                           bloom-beacon!mit-athena!tytso
>3 Ames St., Cambridge, MA 02139         tytso@athena.mit.edu
>   Everybody's playing the game, but nobody's rules are the same!


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