Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18;
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <20210203155001.4121868-1-minchan@kernel.org> <7e7c01a7-27fe-00a3-f67f-8bcf9ef3eae9@nvidia.com>
 <YBxT9XFE6QAQ4T9N@google.com> <cda5547b-0c78-756b-bd0c-f3e534d04bff@nvidia.com>
 <CAJuCfpG_J_XkaK=1z2oHkTpq7Pw1qvZLKuYrs7aG5b9yVwvEag@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpG_J_XkaK=1z2oHkTpq7Pw1qvZLKuYrs7aG5b9yVwvEag@mail.gmail.com>
From:   Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Date:   Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:45:58 -0800
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpFAsM86cKbBrhZx0WPFH5HGCYW4gK_EPtDU=gnhkiDSPw@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: cma: support sysfs
To:     John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc:     Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
        John Dias <joaodias@google.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
        linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Precedence: bulk

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 3:43 PM Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 3:14 PM John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 2/4/21 12:07 PM, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 12:50:58AM -0800, John Hubbard wrote:
> > >> On 2/3/21 7:50 AM, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > >>> Since CMA is getting used more widely, it's more important to
> > >>> keep monitoring CMA statistics for system health since it's
> > >>> directly related to user experience.
> > >>>
> > >>> This patch introduces sysfs for the CMA and exposes stats below
> > >>> to keep monitor for telemetric in the system.
> > >>>
> > >>>    * the number of CMA allocation attempts
> > >>>    * the number of CMA allocation failures
> > >>>    * the number of CMA page allocation attempts
> > >>>    * the number of CMA page allocation failures
> > >>
> > >> The desire to report CMA data is understandable, but there are a few
> > >> odd things here:
> > >>
> > >> 1) First of all, this has significant overlap with /sys/kernel/debug/cma
> > >> items. I suspect that all of these items could instead go into
> > >
> > > At this moment, I don't see any overlap with item from cma_debugfs.
> > > Could you specify what item you are mentioning?
> >
> > Just the fact that there would be two systems under /sys, both of which are
> > doing very very similar things: providing information that is intended to
> > help diagnose CMA.
> >
> > >
> > >> /sys/kernel/debug/cma, right?
> > >
> > > Anyway, thing is I need an stable interface for that and need to use
> > > it in Android production build, too(Unfortunately, Android deprecated
> > > the debugfs
> > > https://source.android.com/setup/start/android-11-release#debugfs
> > > )
> >
> > That's the closest hint to a "why this is needed" that we've seen yet.
> > But it's only a hint.
> >
> > >
> > > What should be in debugfs and in sysfs? What's the criteria?
> >
> > Well, it's a gray area. "Debugging support" goes into debugfs, and
> > "production-level monitoring and control" goes into sysfs, roughly
> > speaking. And here you have items that could be classified as either.
> >
> > >
> > > Some statistic could be considered about debugging aid or telemetric
> > > depening on view point and usecase. And here, I want to use it for
> > > telemetric, get an stable interface and use it in production build
> > > of Android. In this chance, I'd like to get concrete guideline
> > > what should be in sysfs and debugfs so that pointing out this thread
> > > whenever folks dump their stat into sysfs to avoid waste of time
> > > for others in future. :)
> > >
> > >>
> > >> 2) The overall CMA allocation attempts/failures (first two items above) seem
> > >> an odd pair of things to track. Maybe that is what was easy to track, but I'd
> > >> vote for just omitting them.
> > >
> > > Then, how to know how often CMA API failed?
> >
> > Why would you even need to know that, *in addition* to knowing specific
> > page allocation numbers that failed? Again, there is no real-world motivation
> > cited yet, just "this is good data". Need more stories and support here.
>
> IMHO it would be very useful to see whether there are multiple
> small-order allocation failures or a few large-order ones, especially
> for CMA where large allocations are not unusual. For that I believe
> both alloc_pages_attempt and alloc_pages_fail would be required.

Sorry, I meant to say "both cma_alloc_fail and alloc_pages_fail would
be required".

>
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> > --
> > John Hubbard
> > NVIDIA
> >
> > > There are various size allocation request for a CMA so only page
> > > allocation stat are not enough to know it.
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>> Signed-off-by: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
> > >>> ---
> > >>>    Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-kernel-mm-cma |  39 +++++
> > >>>    include/linux/cma.h                           |   1 +
> > >>>    mm/Makefile                                   |   1 +
> > >>>    mm/cma.c                                      |   6 +-
> > >>>    mm/cma.h                                      |  20 +++
> > >>>    mm/cma_sysfs.c                                | 143 ++++++++++++++++++
> > >>>    6 files changed, 209 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > >>>    create mode 100644 Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-kernel-mm-cma
> > >>>    create mode 100644 mm/cma_sysfs.c
> > >>>
> > >>> diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-kernel-mm-cma b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-kernel-mm-cma
> > >>> new file mode 100644
> > >>> index 000000000000..2a43c0aacc39
> > >>> --- /dev/null
> > >>> +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-kernel-mm-cma
> > >>> @@ -0,0 +1,39 @@
> > >>> +What:              /sys/kernel/mm/cma/
> > >>> +Date:              Feb 2021
> > >>> +Contact:   Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
> > >>> +Description:
> > >>> +           /sys/kernel/mm/cma/ contains a number of subdirectories by
> > >>> +           cma-heap name. The subdirectory contains a number of files
> > >>> +           to represent cma allocation statistics.
> > >>
> > >> Somewhere, maybe here, there should be a mention of the closely related
> > >> /sys/kernel/debug/cma files.
> > >>
> > >>> +
> > >>> +           There are number of files under
> > >>> +                           /sys/kernel/mm/cma/<cma-heap-name> directory
> > >>> +
> > >>> +                   - cma_alloc_attempt
> > >>> +                   - cma_alloc_fail
> > >>
> > >> Are these really useful? They a summary of the alloc_pages items, really.
> > >>
> > >>> +                   - alloc_pages_attempt
> > >>> +                   - alloc_pages_fail
> > >>
> > >> This should also have "cma" in the name, really: cma_alloc_pages_*.
> > >
> > > No problem.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>> +
> > >>> +What:              /sys/kernel/mm/cma/<cma-heap-name>/cma_alloc_attempt
> > >>> +Date:              Feb 2021
> > >>> +Contact:   Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
> > >>> +Description:
> > >>> +           the number of cma_alloc API attempted
> > >>> +
> > >>> +What:              /sys/kernel/mm/cma/<cma-heap-name>/cma_alloc_fail
> > >>> +Date:              Feb 2021
> > >>> +Contact:   Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
> > >>> +Description:
> > >>> +           the number of CMA_alloc API failed
> > >>> +
> > >>> +What:              /sys/kernel/mm/cma/<cma-heap-name>/alloc_pages_attempt
> > >>> +Date:              Feb 2021
> > >>> +Contact:   Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
> > >>> +Description:
> > >>> +           the number of pages CMA API tried to allocate
> > >>> +
> > >>> +What:              /sys/kernel/mm/cma/<cma-heap-name>/alloc_pages_fail
> > >>> +Date:              Feb 2021
> > >>> +Contact:   Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
> > >>> +Description:
> > >>> +           the number of pages CMA API failed to allocate
> > >>> diff --git a/include/linux/cma.h b/include/linux/cma.h
> > >>> index 217999c8a762..71a28a5bb54e 100644
> > >>> --- a/include/linux/cma.h
> > >>> +++ b/include/linux/cma.h
> > >>> @@ -49,4 +49,5 @@ extern struct page *cma_alloc(struct cma *cma, size_t count, unsigned int align,
> > >>>    extern bool cma_release(struct cma *cma, const struct page *pages, unsigned int count);
> > >>>    extern int cma_for_each_area(int (*it)(struct cma *cma, void *data), void *data);
> > >>> +
> > >>
> > >> A single additional blank line seems to be the only change to this file. :)
> > >
> > > Oops.
> > >
> >