Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751362AbWIUSdo (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:33:44 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751380AbWIUSdo (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:33:44 -0400 Received: from srv5.dvmed.net ([207.36.208.214]:56737 "EHLO mail.dvmed.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751362AbWIUSdo (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:33:44 -0400 Message-ID: <4512DB05.2090604@garzik.org> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:33:41 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linus Torvalds CC: Andrew Morton , Alan Cox , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: 2.6.19 -mm merge plans References: <20060920135438.d7dd362b.akpm@osdl.org> <45121382.1090403@garzik.org> <20060920220744.0427539d.akpm@osdl.org> <1158830206.11109.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060921105959.a55efb5f.akpm@osdl.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin version 3.1.3 on srv5.dvmed.net summary: Content analysis details: (-4.3 points, 5.0 required) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1354 Lines: 33 Linus Torvalds wrote: > One of the things that I think the current model has excelled at is how it > really changed peoples behaviour, simply because they knew and understood > the rules. > > I think the "big merges in the first two weeks, and a -rc1 after, and no > new code after that" rule has been working because it brought everybody in > on the same page. I definitely agree with all that. I simply argue that, the more time that passes between releases, the MORE BUGS that appear in the next release. After -rc1, you reach a point of diminishing returns where users don't re-test Release Candidates, developers move on to new code rather than fix bugs, and we all move into a limbo where 2.6.X-rcY doesn't see much activity, but the huge "merge snowball" in -mm builds and builds and builds. As an aside, if a release is getting held up by some key bugs or regressions, I think it's more than fair for Andrew to loudly shame said developers into action. "The following nincompoops are holding up the release: Jeff Garzik [bug #1222, #3391], Greg KH [bug #9987, #4418], ..." Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/