Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750909AbWIUTqN (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:46:13 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751444AbWIUTqN (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:46:13 -0400 Received: from emailhub.stusta.mhn.de ([141.84.69.5]:50952 "HELO mailout.stusta.mhn.de") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1750909AbWIUTqM (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:46:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:46:04 +0200 From: Adrian Bunk To: Jeff Garzik Cc: Linus Torvalds , Andrew Morton , Alan Cox , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: 2.6.19 -mm merge plans Message-ID: <20060921194604.GQ31906@stusta.de> References: <20060920135438.d7dd362b.akpm@osdl.org> <45121382.1090403@garzik.org> <20060920220744.0427539d.akpm@osdl.org> <1158830206.11109.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060921105959.a55efb5f.akpm@osdl.org> <4512DB05.2090604@garzik.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4512DB05.2090604@garzik.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2104 Lines: 53 On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:33:41PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > Linus Torvalds wrote: > >One of the things that I think the current model has excelled at is how it > >really changed peoples behaviour, simply because they knew and understood > >the rules. > > > >I think the "big merges in the first two weeks, and a -rc1 after, and no > >new code after that" rule has been working because it brought everybody in > >on the same page. > > > I definitely agree with all that. > > I simply argue that, the more time that passes between releases, the > MORE BUGS that appear in the next release. > > After -rc1, you reach a point of diminishing returns where users don't > re-test Release Candidates, developers move on to new code rather than > fix bugs, and we all move into a limbo where 2.6.X-rcY doesn't see much > activity, but the huge "merge snowball" in -mm builds and builds and builds. This "there is not enough testing by users" is simply not true: Even the kernel Bugzilla that contains only a small subset of all bug reports contains 78 (sic) open bugs reported against 2.6.18-rc kernels [1]. Not all of them are regressions, but this shows that users are testing -rc kernels and reporting bugs. > As an aside, if a release is getting held up by some key bugs or > regressions, I think it's more than fair for Andrew to loudly shame said > developers into action. "The following nincompoops are holding up the > release: Jeff Garzik [bug #1222, #3391], Greg KH [bug #9987, #4418], ..." > > Jeff cu Adrian [1] including bugs reported against 2.6.18-rc?-mm? and 2.6.18-rc?-git* -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/