Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964870AbWIVSbG (ORCPT ); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:31:06 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964867AbWIVSbG (ORCPT ); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:31:06 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.46]:56562 "EHLO vms046pub.verizon.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964870AbWIVSbE (ORCPT ); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:31:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:30:55 -0400 From: Gene Heskett Subject: Re: GPLv3 Position Statement In-reply-to: <1158948497.3445.55.camel@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com> To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: James Bottomley Message-id: <200609221430.55889.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Organization: Organization? Absolutely zip. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <1158941750.3445.31.camel@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com> <200609221359.39519.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1158948497.3445.55.camel@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.7 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2660 Lines: 54 On Friday 22 September 2006 14:08, James Bottomley wrote: >On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 13:59 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> James, I'm most definitely NOT a kernel developer, just a lurker who >> occasionally exhibits his lack of knowledge with (usually) dumb >> questions. >> >> But, while I can't say the above any better than you have, I do have >> one question: >> >> Why is the FSF and RMS not included in the Cc: line of all messages on >> this subject, so they can have first hand, the benefit of the remarks >> this group makes by reading about them from the first person? You >> folks are, as a group, the movers and shakers in the advancement of >> linux, and would continue to do so without the gnu trying to claim they >> invented linux, which we all know is a prevarication. > >Basically because this is a discussion document, not an open letter. > >We had some discussion amongst a small group of kernel developers. Now >we're opening it up to the linux community---which we can't do without >effectively going public as well. > >James Well, since this document states the general consensus quite well, and is not likely to be edited other than crossing all the t's, I think including them (FSF & RMS) would show them just how concerned the major developers are with the deviciveness that the proposed V3, as worded say a month ago the last time I read it and was appalled, will cause. You, nor the rest of the fans of a great os, will ever be properly served. You need to remind RMS that he is not a majority when the vote shows otherwise by a quite resounding margin, and that he and the FSF may well become irrevalent if the V2 is not going to be supported after V3 is final. Let me put it this way, I would be willing to become a paying member of a new organization dedicated to preserving the V2 status if the due weren't too onnerous. If V3 becomes the defacto, then my membership in the FSF will get dropped like a hot potato. I'm just one person, but how many other paying members will do likewise? Enough to cause a serious hurt to the FSF's finances I'd think. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/