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From:   David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Organization: Red Hat GmbH
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] mm/madvise: introduce MADV_POPULATE to
 prefault/prealloc memory
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On 17.02.21 16:48, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> When we manage sparse memory mappings dynamically in user space - also
> sometimes involving MADV_NORESERVE - we want to dynamically populate/
> discard memory inside such a sparse memory region. Example users are
> hypervisors (especially implementing memory ballooning or similar
> technologies like virtio-mem) and memory allocators. In addition, we want
> to fail in a nice way if populating does not succeed because we are out of
> backend memory (which can happen easily with file-based mappings,
> especially tmpfs and hugetlbfs).
> 
> While MADV_DONTNEED and FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE provide us ways to reliably
> discard memory, there is no generic approach to populate ("preallocate")
> memory.
> 
> Although mmap() supports MAP_POPULATE, it is not applicable to the concept
> of sparse memory mappings, where we want to do populate/discard
> dynamically and avoid expensive/problematic remappings. In addition,
> we never actually report error during the final populate phase - it is
> best-effort only.
> 
> fallocate() can be used to preallocate file-based memory and fail in a safe
> way. However, it is less useful for private mappings on anonymous files
> due to COW semantics. For example, using fallocate() to preallocate memory
> on an anonymous memfd files that are mapped MAP_PRIVATE results in a double
> memory consumption when actually writing via the mapping. In addition,
> fallocate() does not actually populate page tables, so we still always
> have to resolve minor faults on first access.
> 
> Because we don't have a proper interface, what applications
> (like QEMU and databases) end up doing is touching (i.e., writing) all
> individual pages. However, it requires expensive signal handling (SIGBUS);
> for example, this is problematic in hypervisors like QEMU where SIGBUS
> handlers might already be used by other subsystems concurrently to e.g,
> handle hardware errors. "Simply" doing preallocation from another thread
> is not that easy.
> 
> Let's introduce MADV_POPULATE with the following semantics
> 1. MADV_POPULATED does not work on PROT_NONE and special VMAs. It works
>     on everything else.
> 2. Errors during MADV_POPULATED (especially OOM) are reported. If we hit
>     hardware errors on pages, ignore them - nothing we really can or
>     should do.
> 3. On errors during MADV_POPULATED, some memory might have been
>     populated. Callers have to clean up if they care.
> 4. Concurrent changes to the virtual memory layour are tolerated - we
>     process each and every PFN only once, though.
> 5. If MADV_POPULATE succeeds, all memory in the range can be accessed
>     without SIGBUS. (of course, not if user space changed mappings in the
>     meantime or KSM kicked in on anonymous memory).
> 
> Although sparse memory mappings are the primary use case, this will
> also be useful for ordinary preallocations where MAP_POPULATE is not
> desired (e.g., in QEMU, where users can trigger preallocation of
> guest RAM after the mapping was created).
> 
> Looking at the history, MADV_POPULATE was already proposed in 2013 [1],
> however, the main motivation back than was performance improvements
> (which should also still be the case, but it's a seconary concern).
> 
> Basic functionality was tested with:
> - anonymous memory
> - MAP_PRIVATE on anonymous file via memfd
> - MAP_SHARED on anonymous file via memf
> - MAP_PRIVATE on anonymous hugetlbfs file via memfd
> - MAP_SHARED on anonymous hugetlbfs file via memfd
> - MAP_PRIVATE on tmpfs/shmem file (we end up with double memory consumption
>    though, as the actual file gets populated with zeroes)
> - MAP_SHARED on tmpfs/shmem file
> 
> Note: For populating/preallocating zeroed-out memory while userfaultfd is
> active, it's even faster to use first fallocate() or placing zeroed pages
> via userfaultfd APIs. Otherwise, we'll have to route every fault while
> populating via the userfaultfd handler.
> 
> [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/6/27/698
> 
> Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
> Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> Cc: Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>
> Cc: Matthew Wilcox (Oracle) <willy@infradead.org>
> Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
> Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
> Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
> Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
> Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
> Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
> Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
> Cc: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> Cc: Kirill A. Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
> Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
> Cc: Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
> Cc: Ivan Kokshaysky <ink@jurassic.park.msu.ru>
> Cc: Matt Turner <mattst88@gmail.com>
> Cc: Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>
> Cc: "James E.J. Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
> Cc: Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>
> Cc: Chris Zankel <chris@zankel.net>
> Cc: Max Filippov <jcmvbkbc@gmail.com>
> Cc: linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org
> Cc: linux-mips@vger.kernel.org
> Cc: linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org
> Cc: linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org
> Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
> Signed-off-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> ---
> 
> If we agree that this makes sense I'll do more testing to see if we
> are missing any return value handling and prepare a man page update to
> document the semantics.
> 
> Thoughts?

Thinking about MADV_POPULATE vs. MADV_POPULATE_WRITE I wonder if it 
would be more versatile to break with existing MAP_POPULATE semantics 
and directly go with

MADV_POPULATE_READ: simulate user space read access without actually 
reading. Trigger a read fault if required.

MADV_POPULATE_WRITE: simulate user space write access without actually 
writing. Trigger a write fault if required.

For my use case, I could use MADV_POPULATE_WRITE on anonymous memory and 
RAM-backed files (shmem/hugetlb) - I would not have a minor fault when 
the guest inside the VM first initializes memory. This mimics how QEMU 
currently preallocates memory.

However, I would use MADV_POPULATE_READ on any !RAM-backed files where 
we actually have to write-back to a (slow?) device. Dirtying everything 
although the guest might not actually consume it in the near future 
might be undesired.

MADV_POPULATE_READ could also come in handy in combination with 
userfaulfd-wp() [1], when handling unpopulated memory via ordinary 
userfaultfd MISSING events in undesired. I could imagine it can speed up 
live migration of VMs in general, where we might end up reading a lot of 
unpopulated memory to figure out it's all zeroes after faulting in the 
shared zeropage. Especially relevant with a shared zeropage.

Thoughts?

[1] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20210219211054.GL6669@xz-x1

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb