Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:8c0a:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id go10csp456151pxb; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:14:30 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxuB7Kn9IW7+0sbpvfWZ9r48wWXttTjiQp8OykfUXy3B22/mM5DfGDNG7AfcKP9gtBYvKx9 X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:3590:: with SMTP id y16mr14920951edc.21.1613841270358; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:14:30 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1613841270; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=nLkZWw3rqTb8taCHUt3F1m0Syw2NYZx//4EHv/amTIVftJ0q8pr4ECh9kpGeY6RfOe P1RNr9sPTsNJ5Oomc9/QTLFxnUPizILFYk56CmADaEV122VwAkjh+L5t2xevsNDZiNti lqasLpvJ2PyhYdiYRedTqG1Pnd32+jUKt9K4yySZlTqSPWXxzOQjWWppTtgGRapOg+Kl VqhFW2CWwcKOo9lsT3Uw38nou4UVBnJ4m05e7oGAaeY2RM2oVyPdqq/prRE6iy0VgKNI YGtj+TCFsBGmWjTpbtX4VhZvQC6NN71XBj1zcV3bV9ue7ScwfG8/JzVotEJu2FSbBiG7 V4EA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=Iv1jaLHzsqDNN/kQ4EcAT0Md26kweV7F1O/WZY+3waA=; b=hvktuDNMzKexH7p7XZKRpDxswZFiOjucTy2R0b8UtmemYGiKbmS+a2qZ8iP5I89QFN aff3PK0j/NoSSEudql/1DVApI+iYqJJ97HWX52FsMUrkFsEFp6GySE92UnS7X1BY94ca +QCKjtC5MR3HJi9wOLtmtr7TFYqVcMOav7hYBDCW5dpKo6Wn2cs10PvOuEomyNEs87sv l3/ePRxR1EHmFWwSj/STS9JeLkCGxRmeg3DsGxxfvlpTCXoUOv6D5dsHQS43qcAI37aK UKvgFNEesr4F2nIZM6HHF5ijGU33CuZl/q+KtkEuCJ5PXRL0vVRIqbeTmcJ8QcWPdpwA UFMg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q14si6781272edi.157.2021.02.20.09.14.07; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229808AbhBTRNm (ORCPT + 99 others); Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:13:42 -0500 Received: from wtarreau.pck.nerim.net ([62.212.114.60]:49901 "EHLO 1wt.eu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229766AbhBTRNm (ORCPT ); Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:13:42 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by pcw.home.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 11KH60NN007214; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 18:06:00 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 18:06:00 +0100 From: Willy Tarreau To: Greg Kroah-Hartman Cc: Jari Ruusu , Jari Ruusu , Scott Branden , Linux ARM , LKML , BCM Kernel Feedback Subject: Re: 5.10 LTS Kernel: 2 or 6 years? Message-ID: <20210220170600.GB7159@1wt.eu> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 05:05:14PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 01:29:21PM +0000, Jari Ruusu wrote: > > On Friday, February 19, 2021 5:23 PM, Jari Ruusu wrote: > > > My contribution here is trying to point you guys to right direction. > > > > I have been able to narrow the beginning of the problem to these kernels: > > 4.14.188 ... 4.14.202 > > > > Same "fix" that went info 4.14.y is also bugging 4.19.y kernels. > > Great, any chance you can narrow this down to the commit itself? What is strnage is that there was no iwlwifi driver change in this interval. Only iwlegacy (don't know if this one was used instead). Note, my laptop uses iwlwifi as well. I've met random issues with it a year ago when I started to use wifi, such as wifi randomly freezing during audio meetings, and automatically fixing itself after 1 minute. I also found that a down-up cycle on the interface would fix it. It happened less than once a day so it was not easy to diagnose, and given how crappy all wifi chips are, I naturally attributed this to the hardware. But since I upgraded to 5.4 months ago, I don't remember having met that issue anymore, so it was likely related to the driver. All I can say is that 4.19.68 was exhibiting this issue. I can't say for older ones because I didn't use wifi before. Just my two cents, Willy