Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751610AbWI1FFv (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:05:51 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751611AbWI1FFv (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:05:51 -0400 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]:64428 "EHLO rwcrmhc14.comcast.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751609AbWI1FFu (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:05:50 -0400 Subject: Re: GPLv3 Position Statement From: Sergey Panov To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Patrick McFarland , Chase Venters , Theodore Tso , Alan Cox , Jan Engelhardt , James Bottomley , linux-kernel In-Reply-To: References: <1158941750.3445.31.camel@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com> <1159342569.2653.30.camel@sipan.sipan.org> <1159359540.11049.347.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060927225815.GB7469@thunk.org> <1159415242.13562.12.camel@sipan.sipan.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Home Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:05:44 -0400 Message-Id: <1159419944.13562.70.camel@sipan.sipan.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3188 Lines: 92 On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 21:13 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, Sergey Panov wrote: > > > > I hope you understand that "Passionate Moderate" is an oxymoron. > > No. It's a joke. > > But it's a sad, serious, one. You really don't want it explained to you. > It's too painful. > > > And I do not believe RMS is a commie! > > Ehh. Nobody called him a commie. > > I said he was an extremist (and tastes differ, but I think most people > would agree). And he _has_ written a manifesto. I'm not kidding. Really. > > "How soon they forget.." > I appreciate it was not : "Ein Gespenst geht um in Europa ... " > One thing that I have realized during some of these discussions is that a > _lot_ of people have literally grown up during all the "Open Source" > years, and really don't know anything about rms, GNU, or the reason Open > Source split from Free Software. > > I'm feeling like an old fart, just because I still remember the BSD > license wars, and rms' manifesto, and all this crap. > > For you young whippersnappers out there, let me tell you how it was when I > was young.. > FYI: I am using (in/on my home network) nothing but YOUR kernel with GNU tools since 1993. I was A PhD student at the unnamed US university at that time. > We had to walk uphill both ways > > [ "In snow! Five feet deep!" > "No! Ten feet!" > "Calm down boys, I'm telling the story" ] > > And we had all these rabid GPL haters that were laughing at us, and > telling us you could never make software under the GPL because none of the > commercial people would ever touch it and all programmers need to eat and > feed their kids.. > > [ "Tell them about when you killed a grizzly bear with your teeth, > gramps!" > > "Shh, Tommy, that's a different story, shush now" ] It is nice to know you are not aware of the "grizzly? no, dushily" Russian jock, people in Republic of Georgia might not appreciate. > And Richard Stallman wrote a manifesto. > > Thank God we still have google. "GNU manifesto" still finds it. www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.html. The funniest sentence is the first one: "... the complete Unix-compatible software system which I am writing so that I can give it away free to everyone who can use it." > > To me he is quite a moderate figure > > I'd hate to meet the people you call extreme. You are a happy individual from a happy country. Some of us were unfortunate to be bourn in a less friendly environment. > > (very strong principals and no diplomatic skills at all, but it does not > > mean he is an extremist). > > I have nothing funny to say here. > > I was going to make a joke about the principals, but that's just low. It's > "principle". A "principal" is something totally different. > > Anyway, I'd clearly in need of a drink, as all my "mad debating skillz" > are clearly leaving me, and I just find myself making all these silly > comments. > > Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/