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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:55:38 -0700
From: Jay Lan <jlan@engr.sgi.com>
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Subject: Re: I/O statistics per process
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Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:22:02 +0200
> "roland" <devzero@web.de> wrote:
> 
>>thanks. tried to contact redflag, but they don`t answer. maybe support is 
>>being on holiday.... !?
>>
>>linux kernel hackers - there is really no standard way to watch i/o metrics 
>>(bytes read/written) at process level?
> 
> The patch csa-accounting-taskstats-update.patch in current -mm kernels
> (whcih is planned for 2.6.19) does have per-process chars-read and
> chars-written accounting ("Extended accounting fields").  That's probably
> not waht you really want, although it might tell you what you want to know.
> 
>>it`s extremly hard for the admin to track down, what process is hogging the 
>>disk - especially if there is more than one task consuming cpu.

Rolend,

The per-process chars-read and chars-writeen accounting is made
available through taskstats interface (see Documentation/accounting/
taskstats.txt) in 2.6.18-mm1 kernel. Unfortunately, the user-space CSA
package is still a few months away. You may, for now, write your
own taskstats application or go a long way to port the in-kernel
implementation of pagg/job/csa.

However, the "Externded acocunting fields" patch does not provide you
straight forward answer. The patch provides accounting data only at
process termination (just like the BSD accounting) and it seems that
you want to see which run-away application (ie, alive) eating up your
disk. The taskstats interface offers a query mode (command-response),
but currently only delayacct uses that mode. We would need to make
those data available in the query mode in order for application to
see accounting data of live processes.

Of course, you can always kill all possible offenders.:) Then, you
can find out which one was the bad guy with the data.


Thanks,
 - jay


> 
> Sure.  Doing this is actually fairly tricky because disk writes are almost
> always deferred.  We'd need to remember which process dirtied some memory,
> then track that info all the way down to the disk IO level, then perform
> the accounting operations at IO submit-time or completion time, on a
> per-page basis.  It isn't rocket-science, but it's a lot of stuff and some
> overhead.
> 
>>meanwhile i found blktrace and read into the documenation. looks really cool 
>>and seems to be very powerful tool - but it it`s seems a little bit 
>>"oversized" and not the right tool for this. seems to be for 
>>tracing/debugging/analysis
>>
>>what about http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/9/12/89  "with following patch, 
>>userspace processes/utilities will be able to access per process I/O 
>>statistics. for example, top like utilites can use this information" which 
>>has been posted to lkml one year ago ? any update on this ?
> 
> csa-accounting-taskstats-update.patch makes that information available to
> userspace.
> 
> But it's approximate, because
> 
> - it doesn't account for disk readahead
> 
> - it doesn't account for pagefault-initiated reads (althought it easily
>   could - Jay?)
> 
> - it overaccounts for a process writing to an already-dirty page.
> 
>   (We could fix this too: nuke the existing stuff and do
> 
> 	current->wchar += PAGE_CACHE_SIZE;
> 
>    in __set_page_dirty_[no]buffers().) (But that ends up being wrong if
>    someone truncates the file before it got written)
> 
> - it doesn't account for file readahead (although it easily could)
> 
> - it doesn't account for pagefault-initiated readahead (it could)
> 
> 
> hm.  There's actually quite a lot we could do here to make these fields
> more accurate and useful.  A lot of this depends on what the definition of
> these fields _is_.  Is is just for disk IO?  Is it supposed to include
> console IO, or what?


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