Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964810AbWI2OCN (ORCPT ); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:02:13 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964812AbWI2OCN (ORCPT ); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:02:13 -0400 Received: from smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.238]:16049 "HELO smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S964810AbWI2OCM (ORCPT ); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <451D2762.8000103@seclark.us> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:02:10 -0400 From: Stephen Clark Reply-To: Stephen.Clark@seclark.us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22smp i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010110 Netscape6/6.5 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Helge Hafting CC: tglx@linutronix.de, Alan Cox , Neil Brown , Michiel de Boer , James Bottomley , linux-kernel Subject: Re: GPLv3 Position Statement References: <1158941750.3445.31.camel@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com> <451798FA.8000004@rebelhomicide.demon.nl> <17687.46268.156413.352299@cse.unsw.edu.au> <1159183895.11049.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1159200620.9326.447.camel@localhost.localdomain> <451CF22D.4030405@aitel.hist.no> In-Reply-To: <451CF22D.4030405@aitel.hist.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3126 Lines: 86 Helge Hafting wrote: >Thomas Gleixner wrote: > > >>On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 12:31 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: >> >> >> >>>The GPLv3 rewords it in an attempt to be clearer but also I think rather >>>more over-reaching. It's not clear what for example happens with a >>>rented device containing GPL software but with DRM on the hardware. >>>Thats quite different to owned hardware. GPLv2 leaves it open for the >>>courts to make a sensible decision per case, GPLv3 tries to define it in >>>advance and its very very hard to define correctly. >>> >>> >>> >>Also the prevention of running modified versions is not only caused by >>economic interests and business models. There are also scenarios where >>it is simply necessary: >> >>- The liability for damages, where the manufacturer of a device might >>be responsible in case of damage when he abandoned the prevention. This >>applies to medical devices as well as to lasers, machine tools and many >>more. Device manufacturers can not necessarily escape such liabilities >>as it might be considered grossly negligent to hand out the prevention >>key, even if the user signed an exemption from liability. >> >> >> >This seems silly to me. Sure, lasers and medical equipment is >dangerous if used wrong. When such equipment is >controlled by software, then changing that software brings >huge responsibility. But it shouldn't be made impossible. > >They can provide the key, with the warning that _using_ it >means you are on your own and take all responsibility. > >I can take the covers off a cd player and let the laser >shine into the room. Nothing prevents me from doing >that, it isn't welded shut or anything. And it might >be useful if I ever need a laser beam. Of course I am >then responsible if I take someone's eye out. CD players >have warning labels about this. And the same can be done >for the keys to dangerous software. > > >>- Regulations to prevent unauthorized access to radio frequencies, which >>is what concerns e.g. cellphone manufacturers. >> >> >> >Unauthorized use is illegal and easy enough to track down. >No special protection is needed. And it cannot be enforced >by making the phones har to modify - any radio amateur knows >how to build from scratch a transmitter to jam the GSM bands >if he should be inclined to do so. Anyone can look this up in >books too. > >Helge Hafting >- >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in >the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > > Amen! -- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin) "The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." (Thomas Jefferson) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/