Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750916AbWI3FL4 (ORCPT ); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:11:56 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750917AbWI3FL4 (ORCPT ); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:11:56 -0400 Received: from stat9.steeleye.com ([209.192.50.41]:53194 "EHLO hancock.sc.steeleye.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750915AbWI3FLy (ORCPT ); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:11:54 -0400 Subject: Re: GPLv3 Position Statement From: James Bottomley To: tridge@samba.org Cc: Jeff Garzik , linux-kernel In-Reply-To: <17692.60624.897509.999988@samba.org> References: <1159498900.3880.31.camel@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com> <17692.46192.432673.743783@samba.org> <1159515086.3880.79.camel@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com> <17692.57123.749163.204216@samba.org> <451CE976.6080802@garzik.org> <17692.60624.897509.999988@samba.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:56:22 -0400 Message-Id: <1159577782.9543.47.camel@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 (2.2.3-4.fc4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1761 Lines: 37 On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 19:52 +1000, tridge@samba.org wrote: > > tridge@samba.org wrote: > > > I'd also like to note that I don't have much sympathy for companies > > > that consist of only a patent portfolio. They are pretty much scum in > > > my view. If they don't make any products at all and live on only > > > patent revenue then the world would be better off without them :-) > > > > So, if you outsource your manufacturing, you are scum? > > I think its reasonable to include 'programming', 'developing' etc in > 'make' :-) > > I'm just not a fan of companies who don't do anything except collect > patent royalties on products that other people develop. I doubt there > would be anyone in that category on this mailing list :) You mean pure patent trolls (companies whose sole business model is extracting royalties from other companies)? I think you're right, we can all agree they're evil. However, since they don't distribute any open source software, being purely setup to blackmail companies with their patent portfolio, GPLv3 isn't going to help us at all in the fight against them. This is one of the things that really troubles me about GPLv3. I think we can all agree that pure patent troll companies are evil and that DRM as formulated by the media conglomerates to try to impose their will (and legislate a business model) on the end user are evil. However, attacking Tivo, or companies with large patent portfolios as a proxy for getting at the real problem is also wrong. James - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/