Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965209AbWJBSH6 (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:07:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965211AbWJBSH6 (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:07:58 -0400 Received: from dvhart.com ([64.146.134.43]:30851 "EHLO dvhart.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965209AbWJBSH5 (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:07:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4521557C.3060500@mbligh.org> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:07:56 -0700 From: Martin Bligh User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051011) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Alan Cox , Lee Revell , Matti Aarnio , linux-kernel Subject: Re: Spam, bogofilter, etc References: <1159539793.7086.91.camel@mindpipe> <20061002100302.GS16047@mea-ext.zmailer.org> <1159802486.4067.140.camel@mindpipe> <45212F39.5000307@mbligh.org> <1159811392.8907.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1378 Lines: 28 >>MX checking is as broken or more broken than bayes. > > I have to say, OSDL has been doing MX checking, and it's effective as > hell. Most importantly, when it _does_ break, it's not because some > "content" is considered inappropriate, it's because some ISP does > something technically wrong. > > OSDL also refused to talk to open mail relays etc. I got into something of > a (fairly civilized) shouting match with John Gilmore over it, who used to > send out email from a "fake open mail relay" on princuple (maybe he still > does). He claimed I was censoring his free speech rights when I didn't > read his emails, but I just told him that I was expressing my right to not > listen to people who are so stupid that they can't configure their email > servers. That was actually pretty broken. Sending Andrew email stopped working for ages. IIRC because I was sending email from my home address through the IBM work server. It's not a trouble-free solution, and otherwise fairly reasonable things stop working. I forget what the OSDL admins did in the end ... I think put in a specific exception for an IP range. M. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/