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From:   Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 19 Mar 2021 17:35:55 -0400
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] drm/amd/display: Set AMDGPU_DM_DEFAULT_MIN_BACKLIGHT to 0
To:     Evan Benn <evanbenn@gmail.com>
Cc:     Harry Wentland <harry.wentland@amd.com>,
        Evan Benn <evanbenn@chromium.org>,
        Stylon Wang <stylon.wang@amd.com>,
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On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 5:31 PM Evan Benn <evanbenn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 at 02:10, Harry Wentland <harry.wentland@amd.com> wrote:
> > On 2021-03-19 10:22 a.m., Alex Deucher wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 3:23 AM Evan Benn <evanbenn@chromium.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> AMDGPU_DM_DEFAULT_MIN_BACKLIGHT was set to the value of 12
> > >> to ensure no display backlight will flicker at low user brightness
> > >> settings. However this value is quite bright, so for devices that do not
> > >> implement the ACPI ATIF
> > >> ATIF_FUNCTION_QUERY_BRIGHTNESS_TRANSFER_CHARACTERISTICS
> > >> functionality the user cannot set the brightness to a low level even if
> > >> the display would support such a low PWM.
> > >>
> > >> This ATIF feature is not implemented on for example AMD grunt chromebooks.
> > >>
> > >> Signed-off-by: Evan Benn <evanbenn@chromium.org>
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> I could not find a justification for the reason for the value. It has
> > >> caused some noticable regression for users: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203439>>>
> > >> Maybe this can be either user controlled or userspace configured, but
> > >> preventing users from turning their backlight dim seems wrong.
> > >
> > > My understanding is that some panels flicker if you set the min to a
> > > value too low.  This was a safe minimum if the platform didn't specify
> > > it's own safe minimum.  I think we'd just be trading one bug for
> > > another (flickering vs not dim enough).  Maybe a whitelist or
> > > blacklist would be a better solution?
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, this is a NACK from me as-is for the reasons Alex described.
>
> Thanks Harry + Alex,
>
> I agree this solution is not the best.
>
> >
> > I agree a whitelist approach might be best.
>
> Do you have any idea what an allowlist could be keyed on?
> Is the flickering you observed here a function of the panel or the gpu
> or some other component?
> Maybe we could move the minimum level into the logic for that hardware.
>

Maybe the panel string from the EDID?  Either that or something from
dmi data?  Harry would probably have a better idea.

Alex

> >
> > Is this fix perhaps for OLED panels? If so we could use a different
> > min-value for OLED panels that don't do PWM, but use 12 for everything else.
>
> All the chromebooks I have worked with LCD + LED backlight have been
> fine with a backlight set to 0.
> We do have OLED panels too, but I'm not aware of what they do.
>
> > Harry
> >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Also reviewed here: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromiumos/third_party/kernel/+/2748377>>>
> > >>   drivers/gpu/drm/amd/display/amdgpu_dm/amdgpu_dm.c | 2 +-
> > >>   1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > >>
> > >> diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/display/amdgpu_dm/amdgpu_dm.c b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/display/amdgpu_dm/amdgpu_dm.c
> > >> index 573cf17262da..0129bd69b94e 100644
> > >> --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/display/amdgpu_dm/amdgpu_dm.c
> > >> +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/display/amdgpu_dm/amdgpu_dm.c
> > >> @@ -3151,7 +3151,7 @@ static int amdgpu_dm_mode_config_init(struct amdgpu_device *adev)
> > >>          return 0;
> > >>   }
> > >>
> > >> -#define AMDGPU_DM_DEFAULT_MIN_BACKLIGHT 12
> > >> +#define AMDGPU_DM_DEFAULT_MIN_BACKLIGHT 0
> > >>   #define AMDGPU_DM_DEFAULT_MAX_BACKLIGHT 255
> > >>   #define AUX_BL_DEFAULT_TRANSITION_TIME_MS 50
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> 2.31.0.291.g576ba9dcdaf-goog
> > >>
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