Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:9848:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id x8csp4388911pxf; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx/3i/6/doB5TzaqTo9SuCSPRp0RUs7OTmxCIJzbiSxRzBUw/nVwN2MVEusuXX7aeollptL X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:aac6:: with SMTP id kt6mr5723503ejb.260.1616516665042; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1616516665; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=vlQGA76ntmD1Lx5HyuYEk9e3nAg4mQ1zNytFa1sZPX2ogrFl5h/8jdd9Zxmx7pz+9a gXcvrXGt7YN3CRm7EjlVEYX+khAsoFUV2NCjSgw72qtyegjgzrJoy+fXfRMcYyk5N3rz ia+F018aPHmvHlWZZwZuS4attYOQdzbRlQLVu7AdsI/extHH8NMZz2XBRNGcH1UoEMUD LY4xZbXkdzgfvsAzZEactGQAt89SRqkVSU+swCfeasFX4UpD7vKAFnNH7DAXIdL60Ny2 XoHnG2PRDjRvGiU4ShVTJGfut1JvWOAcyv8U90qlof3jVuZBpy6iO8LZ4CmNcLb53D8r s0tw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=i3smxF6Uux9HATxT14mKy2J8mYIeS5dqVs+SXkmA358=; b=YgP0hF3sD//vxqsLLjYj8W8P3tCs8GZAZC2f/wyiXPKi17ctZiaUG94WuJaCOaudOW fLNGhA692Sf1xWDlqO74l5yiQwjVjahzVfOlggiuhkGob3SiEXg65Fs9IMame8S0pCDP lkKK7r99lXYdWlHAg7wkmAKcXIGv7YgfmuBmnrycuFkRLiUpRdV2UjyQ+4Q0iNj7Lds/ 5N6DXMaYKXPrYcsL4qfd1gRcHGKdU7naELPXQ1tPxHRgn5HzzH+jjf8FMpwf9tlPTXvW hlZrGKvX/G0m3CC9H866VTHNwm09MjtfWicYWpDVlFDaifYqsmKMPlr/u6R59NYYpxBi 9soQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id dh22si13808565edb.456.2021.03.23.09.24.01; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233182AbhCWQVE convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT + 99 others); Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:21:04 -0400 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:39878 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S233116AbhCWQU2 (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:20:28 -0400 Received: from gandalf.local.home (cpe-66-24-58-225.stny.res.rr.com [66.24.58.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE64561477; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:20:25 -0400 From: Steven Rostedt To: Thorsten Leemhuis Cc: Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , Linux Kernel Mailing List , ksummit , workflows@vger.kernel.org, Konstantin Ryabitsev Subject: Re: RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions Message-ID: <20210323122025.77888b49@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: <62b60247-7838-a624-706e-b1a54785b2a5@leemhuis.info> References: <613fe50d-fc9c-6282-f1f3-34653acb2ee9@leemhuis.info> <62b60247-7838-a624-706e-b1a54785b2a5@leemhuis.info> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:25:15 +0100 Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more > important problem we should work on – at least from the perspective of > kernel development. But from the users perspective (and > reporting-issues.rst is written for that perspective) it feel a bit > unsatisfying to not have a solution to query for existing report, > regressions or not. Hmmmm... I think the bulk of user issues are going to be regressions. Although you may be in a better position to know for sure, but at least for me, wearing my "user" hat, the thing that gets me the most is upgrading to a new kernel and suddenly something that use to work no longer does. And that is the definition of a regression. My test boxes still run old distros (one is running fedora 13). These are the boxes that catch the most issues, and if they do, they are pretty much guaranteed to be a regression. I like the "linux-regressions" mailing list idea. -- Steve