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From:   "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
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Subject: Re: [RFCv1 7/7] KVM: unmap guest memory using poisoned pages
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On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 04:57:46PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 06.04.21 16:33, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 4/6/21 12:44 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > On 02.04.21 17:26, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> > > > TDX architecture aims to provide resiliency against confidentiality and
> > > > integrity attacks. Towards this goal, the TDX architecture helps enforce
> > > > the enabling of memory integrity for all TD-private memory.
> > > > 
> > > > The CPU memory controller computes the integrity check value (MAC) for
> > > > the data (cache line) during writes, and it stores the MAC with the
> > > > memory as meta-data. A 28-bit MAC is stored in the ECC bits.
> > > > 
> > > > Checking of memory integrity is performed during memory reads. If
> > > > integrity check fails, CPU poisones cache line.
> > > > 
> > > > On a subsequent consumption (read) of the poisoned data by software,
> > > > there are two possible scenarios:
> > > > 
> > > >  ? - Core determines that the execution can continue and it treats
> > > >  ??? poison with exception semantics signaled as a #MCE
> > > > 
> > > >  ? - Core determines execution cannot continue,and it does an unbreakable
> > > >  ??? shutdown
> > > > 
> > > > For more details, see Chapter 14 of Intel TDX Module EAS[1]
> > > > 
> > > > As some of integrity check failures may lead to system shutdown host
> > > > kernel must not allow any writes to TD-private memory. This requirment
> > > > clashes with KVM design: KVM expects the guest memory to be mapped into
> > > > host userspace (e.g. QEMU).
> > > 
> > > So what you are saying is that if QEMU would write to such memory, it
> > > could crash the kernel? What a broken design.
> > 
> > IMNHO, the broken design is mapping the memory to userspace in the first
> > place.  Why the heck would you actually expose something with the MMU to
> > a context that can't possibly meaningfully access or safely write to it?
> 
> I'd say the broken design is being able to crash the machine via a simple
> memory write, instead of only crashing a single process in case you're doing
> something nasty. From the evaluation of the problem it feels like this was a
> CPU design workaround: instead of properly cleaning up when it gets tricky
> within the core, just crash the machine. And that's a CPU "feature", not a
> kernel "feature". Now we have to fix broken HW in the kernel - once again.
> 
> However, you raise a valid point: it does not make too much sense to to map
> this into user space. Not arguing against that; but crashing the machine is
> just plain ugly.
> 
> I wonder: why do we even *want* a VMA/mmap describing that memory? Sounds
> like: for hacking support for that memory type into QEMU/KVM.
> 
> This all feels wrong, but I cannot really tell how it could be better. That
> memory can really only be used (right now?) with hardware virtualization
> from some point on. From that point on (right from the start?), there should
> be no VMA/mmap/page tables for user space anymore.
> 
> Or am I missing something? Is there still valid user space access?

There is. For IO (e.g. virtio) the guest mark a range of memory as shared
(or unencrypted for AMD SEV). The range is not pre-defined.

> > This started with SEV.  QEMU creates normal memory mappings with the SEV
> > C-bit (encryption) disabled.  The kernel plumbs those into NPT, but when
> > those are instantiated, they have the C-bit set.  So, we have mismatched
> > mappings.  Where does that lead?  The two mappings not only differ in
> > the encryption bit, causing one side to read gibberish if the other
> > writes: they're not even cache coherent.
> > 
> > That's the situation *TODAY*, even ignoring TDX.
> > 
> > BTW, I'm pretty sure I know the answer to the "why would you expose this
> > to userspace" question: it's what QEMU/KVM did alreadhy for
> > non-encrypted memory, so this was the quickest way to get SEV working.
> > 
> 
> Yes, I guess so. It was the fastest way to "hack" it into QEMU.
> 
> Would we ever even want a VMA/mmap/process page tables for that memory? How
> could user space ever do something *not so nasty* with that memory (in the
> current context of VMs)?

In the future, the memory should be still managable by host MM: migration,
swapping, etc. But it's long way there. For now, the guest memory
effectively pinned on the host.

-- 
 Kirill A. Shutemov