Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:17d3:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id hz19csp287973pxb; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:40:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxklmjNvPCKEmIIAXDBzMs/vt+xXT+Zlu8yzMy2FDmvFjHOOYXsoyJClyup9cy2JJr6taCD X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:c016:: with SMTP id e22mr354541ejz.330.1618440013611; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:40:13 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1618440013; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=Z9XQsR3+SuKpCqCa6KVUyLXXNIS53nMR2rqre7y8eNrveyACsFId01s3eECrEJ6vxj SIu1mz3+LiUhnSyXCb7v8zBzeCmkCvZUqh9nRFJovHYAhmf2EKKV00RRgSjaTtbJgToJ l0V6aAeO7+hNQDBVdq0Hiiw5GV9Kty1JvHYWqGmjJyOi6mGjUjoj0TNB4ki6oPtT3ZFy 5UpdkB5tAbhlM9DxiF5ifG+/bGr5Zy2GNykApNhgKZ50zZOUNsf0y6o6SteTJVJckcHv sjTnrFuKPSw+3c9lKhre1UQMtHfXCFB2U9T8+qShGmFFf14TStSBccamHjrZ1szJfn6H 0V2g== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=Jey481Z4UiVNpQgNH6VcKD8ef/R8iKlRlN9cTUSIrjg=; b=bLg2Pq1qLY9Znray5nsEQEuuStQ0oJHiCDlU22Lqs3MKLQCkP6MkXJfVoYTAzgutgK QiZl2orsC4xoCdP1bJGahjfAZz4OpVkg/MxPalhcsKc0WtE7hH7lo2xwMbSGJ5wqLJCA qUpxqW7aFF0h18QHl0NlR/CGmFe5UJy/xfU2/QfMmiqYnH/0U1uGkM+RSmA5HjyR1oqa yiliQ6nIM0kWirbGKnHQrLUpaMu4+qP6iLGy6GDhwjG/Yx6Xckssm2Ba9Gdn05C8f62s B0QDol51CxRE98UXm9VNaBhaI6RzvfxevG8XWfDX72P8jdzsZRP4Hop7wPi09mZKSt52 Cyag== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id cf11si537270ejb.342.2021.04.14.15.39.50; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S242857AbhDNKH1 (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 14 Apr 2021 06:07:27 -0400 Received: from wtarreau.pck.nerim.net ([62.212.114.60]:51614 "EHLO 1wt.eu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S232032AbhDNKH0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 14 Apr 2021 06:07:26 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by pcw.home.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 13EA6d24030291; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:06:39 +0200 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:06:39 +0200 From: Willy Tarreau To: Borislav Petkov Cc: Len Brown , Andy Lutomirski , Florian Weimer , "Bae, Chang Seok" , Dave Hansen , X86 ML , LKML , linux-abi@vger.kernel.org, "libc-alpha@sourceware.org" , Rich Felker , Kyle Huey , Keno Fischer Subject: Re: Candidate Linux ABI for Intel AMX and hypothetical new related features Message-ID: <20210414100639.GD29220@1wt.eu> References: <87lf9nk2ku.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> <20210413034346.GA22861@1wt.eu> <20210414095804.GB10709@zn.tnic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210414095804.GB10709@zn.tnic> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 11:58:04AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote: > On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 03:51:50PM -0400, Len Brown wrote: > > AMX does the type of matrix multiplication that AI algorithms use. In > > the unlikely event that you or one of the libraries you call are doing > > the same, then you will be very happy with AMX. Otherwise, you'll > > probably not use it. > > Which sounds to me like AMX is something which should not be enabled > automatically but explicitly requested. I don't see the majority of the > processes on the majority of the Linux machines out there doing AI with > AMX - at least not anytime soon. If it becomes ubiquitous later, we can > make it automatic then. And change jobs :-) Willy