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Date:   Wed, 28 Apr 2021 09:11:08 -0700
From:   "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc:     Michel Lespinasse <michel@lespinasse.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 13/37] mm: implement speculative handling in
 __handle_mm_fault().
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 08:13:53AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:05 AM Michel Lespinasse <michel@lespinasse.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 07, 2021 at 08:36:01AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > On 4/6/21 6:44 PM, Michel Lespinasse wrote:
> > > > The page table tree is walked with local irqs disabled, which prevents
> > > > page table reclamation (similarly to what fast GUP does). The logic is
> > > > otherwise similar to the non-speculative path, but with additional
> > > > restrictions: in the speculative path, we do not handle huge pages or
> > > > wiring new pages tables.
> > >
> > > Not on most architectures.  Quoting the actual comment in mm/gup.c:
> > >
> > > >  * Before activating this code, please be aware that the following assumptions
> > > >  * are currently made:
> > > >  *
> > > >  *  *) Either MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE is enabled, and tlb_remove_table() is used to
> > > >  *  free pages containing page tables or TLB flushing requires IPI broadcast.
> > >
> > > On MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE architectures, you cannot make the
> > > assumption that it is safe to dereference a pointer in a page table just
> > > because irqs are off.  You need RCU protection, too.
> > >
> > > You have the same error in the cover letter.
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> >
> > Thanks for your comment. At first I thought did not matter, because we
> > only enable ARCH_SUPPORTS_SPECULATIVE_PAGE_FAULT on selected
> > architectures, and I thought MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE is not set on
> > these. But I was wrong - MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE is enabled on X86
> > with paravirt. So I took another look at fast GUP to make sure I
> > actually understand it.
> >
> > This brings a question about lockless_pages_from_mm() - I see it
> > disabling interrupts, which it explains is necessary for disabling THP
> > splitting IPIs, but I do not see it taking an RCU read lock as would
> > be necessary for preventing paga table freeing on
> > MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE configs. I figure local_irq_save()
> > indirectly takes an rcu read lock somehow ? I think this is something
> > I should also mention in my explanation, and I have not seen a good
> > description of this on the fast GUP side...
> 
> Sounds like a bug!  That being said, based on my extremely limited
> understanding of how the common RCU modes work, local_irq_save()
> probably implies an RCU lock in at least some cases.  Hi Paul!

In modern kernels, local_irq_save() does have RCU reader semantics,
meaning that synchronize_rcu() will wait for pre-exiting irq-disabled
regions.  It will also wait for pre-existing bh-disable, preempt-disable,
and of course rcu_read_lock() sections of code.

But don't try this in older kernels, that is not in kernel in which
synchronize_sched() is defined!

							Thanx, Paul