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From:   Pratyush Yadav <p.yadav@ti.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/6] spi: cadence-qspi: Use PHY for DAC reads if
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On 29/04/21 06:28PM, Michael Walle wrote:
> Am 2021-03-12 11:17, schrieb Pratyush Yadav:
> > On 12/03/21 09:13AM, Tudor.Ambarus@microchip.com wrote:
> > > On 3/11/21 9:12 PM, Pratyush Yadav wrote:
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> > > > Check if a read is eligible for PHY and if it is, enable PHY and DQS.
> > > 
> > > DQS as in data strobe? Shouldn't the upper layer inform the QSPI
> > > controller
> > > whether DS is required or not?
> > 
> > Yes, DQS as in data strobe. I need to check this again, but IIRC the
> > controller cannot run in PHY mode unless DS is used. Ideally the upper
> > layer should indeed inform the controller whether DS is supported/in-use
> > or not. That can be used to decide whether PHY mode (and consequently
> > the DS line) is to be used or not.
> > 
> > Currently there are only two flashes that use 8D-8D-8D mode (S28HS512T
> > and MT35XU512ABA), and both of them drive the DS line.
> 
> The LS1028A datasheet explicitly states that the calibration is only
> used for non-DQS flashes. Which makes sense, because it just determine at
> which point the input data is sampled. And if the flash provides a data
> strobe, it already know when to sample it. What I am missing here?

If there was 0 delay in transferring the signals from flash to 
SoC/controller, you would be right. But in practice there is a small but 
noticeable delay from when the flash launches the signal and when it is 
received by the device. So by the time the DQS signal reaches the SoC it 
might already be too late and the data lines might not be valid any 
more. The calibration accounts for these (and some others) delays.

See [0] for a somewhat similar discussion I had with Tudor.

[0] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mtd/20210312181447.dlecnw2oed7jtxe7@ti.com/

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Regards,
Pratyush Yadav
Texas Instruments Inc.