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From:   Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] io_thread/x86: don't reset 'cs', 'ss', 'ds' and 'es' registers for io_threads
Date:   Mon, 3 May 2021 16:15:06 -0700
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Cc:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
        Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
        Stefan Metzmacher <metze@samba.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
        io-uring <io-uring@vger.kernel.org>,
        the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>
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To:     Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
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> On May 3, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BFOn Mon, May 03 2021 at 15:08, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
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>>> To be clear, I'm suggesting that we -EINVAL the PTRACE_GETREGS calls
>>> and such, not the ATTACH.  I have no idea what gdb will do if this
>>> happens, though.
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>> I feel like the likelihood that it will make gdb work any better is
>> basically zero.
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>> I think we should just do Stefan's patch - I assume it generates
>> something like four instructions (two loads, two stores) on x86-64,
>> and it "just works".
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>> Yeah, yeah, it presumably generates 8 instructions on 32-bit x86, and
>> we could fix that by just using the constant __USER_CS/DS instead (no
>> loads necessary) since 32-bit doesn't have any compat issues.
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>> But is it worth complicating the patch for a couple of instructions in
>> a non-critical path?
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>> And I don't see anybody stepping up to say "yes, I will do the patch
>> for gdb", so I really think the least pain is to just take the very
>> straightforward and tested kernel patch.
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>> Yes, yes, that also means admitting to ourselves that the gdb
>> situation isn't likely going to improve, but hey, if nobody in this
>> thread is willing to work on the gdb side to fix the known issues
>> there, isn't that the honest thing to do anyway?
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> GDB is one thing. But is this setup actually correct under all
> circumstances?
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> It's all fine that we have lots of blurb about GDB, but there is no
> reasoning why this does not affect regular kernel threads which take the
> same code path.
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> Neither is there an answer what happens in case of a signal delivered to
> this thread and what any other GDB/ptraced induced poking might cause.
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> This is a half setup user space thread which is assumed to behave like a
> regular kernel thread, but is this assumption actually true?
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I=E2=80=99m personally concerned about FPU state. No one ever imagined when w=
riting and reviewing the FPU state code that we were going to let ptrace pok=
e the state on a kernel thread.

Now admittedly kernel_execve() magically turns kernel threads into user thre=
ads, but, again, I see no evidence that anyone has thought through all the i=
mplications of letting ptrace go to town before doing so.

(Is the io_uring thread a kthread style kernel thread?  kthread does horribl=
e, horrible things with the thread stack.)=