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[23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o18si11770065edv.5.2021.05.04.05.28.10; Tue, 04 May 2021 05:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230295AbhEDM1U (ORCPT + 99 others); Tue, 4 May 2021 08:27:20 -0400 Received: from pegase2.c-s.fr ([93.17.235.10]:37189 "EHLO pegase2.c-s.fr" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230110AbhEDM1U (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 May 2021 08:27:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (mailhub3.si.c-s.fr [172.26.127.67]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FZJwv0lN3z9sVw; Tue, 4 May 2021 14:26:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at c-s.fr Received: from pegase2.c-s.fr ([172.26.127.65]) by localhost (pegase2.c-s.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W02um0mNf2a2; Tue, 4 May 2021 14:26:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from messagerie.si.c-s.fr (messagerie.si.c-s.fr [192.168.25.192]) by pegase2.c-s.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FZJwt6jHxz9sVv; Tue, 4 May 2021 14:26:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by messagerie.si.c-s.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB318B78D; Tue, 4 May 2021 14:26:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at c-s.fr Received: from messagerie.si.c-s.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (messagerie.si.c-s.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id oT_wBGJrwVnn; Tue, 4 May 2021 14:26:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.4.90] (unknown [192.168.4.90]) by messagerie.si.c-s.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7628B7A8; Tue, 4 May 2021 14:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Raise the minimum GCC version to 5.2 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Michal_Such=c3=a1nek?= , Miguel Ojeda Cc: Albert Ou , Catalin Marinas , Arnd Bergmann , Linux Kbuild mailing list , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Masahiro Yamada , Jonathan Corbet , Linux Doc Mailing List , linux-kernel , Linus Torvalds , Joe Perches , Ben Dooks , Palmer Dabbelt , Paul Walmsley , Miguel Ojeda , Paul Mackerras , linux-riscv , linuxppc-dev , Will Deacon , Linux ARM References: <20210501151538.145449-1-masahiroy@kernel.org> <3943bc020f6227c8801907317fc113aa13ad4bad.camel@perches.com> <65cda2bb-1b02-6ebc-0ea2-c48927524aa0@codethink.co.uk> <20210504092225.GS6564@kitsune.suse.cz> <20210504121713.GT6564@kitsune.suse.cz> From: Christophe Leroy Message-ID: <529aef7c-30b1-f6c5-4610-34bd869e4ad4@csgroup.eu> Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 14:26:18 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210504121713.GT6564@kitsune.suse.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Le 04/05/2021 à 14:17, Michal Suchánek a écrit : > On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 02:09:24PM +0200, Miguel Ojeda wrote: >> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 11:22 AM Michal Suchánek wrote: >>> >>> Except it makes answering the question "Is this bug we see on this >>> ancient system still present in upstream?" needlessly more difficult to >>> answer. >> >> Can you please provide some details? If you are talking about testing >> a new kernel image in the ancient system "as-is", why wouldn't you >> build it in a newer system? If you are talking about particular >> problems about bisecting (kernel, compiler) pairs etc., details would >> also be welcome. > > Yes, bisecting comes to mind. If you need to switch the userspace as > well the bisection results are not that solid. You may not be even able > to bisect because the workload does not exist on a new system at all. > Crafting a minimal test case that can be forward-ported to a new system > is not always trivial - if you understood the problem to that extent you > might not even need to bisect it in the first place. > But you don't need to switch the userspace or the complete build tools to build a kernel with a newer toolchain. All you have to do is take one from https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/pub/tools/crosstool/ I'm doing everything under CentOS 6, and using one of those tools allows me to build latest kernel without breaking anything else.