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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:04:56 +0200
From: Martin Peschke <mp3@de.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [Patch 0/5] I/O statistics through request queues
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Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 24 2006, Martin Peschke wrote:
>> Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>> Our tests indicate that the blktrace approach is fine for performance
>>>> analysis as long as the system to be analysed isn't too busy.
>>>> But once the system faces a consirable amount of non-sequential I/O
>>>> workload, the plenty of blktrace-generated data starts to get painful.
>>> Why haven't you done an analysis and posted it here? I surely cannot fix
>>> what nobody tells me is broken or suboptimal.
>> Fair enough. We have tried out the silly way of blktrace-ing, storing
>> data locally. So, it's probably not worthwhile discussing that.
> 
> You'd probably never want to do local traces for performance analysis.
> It may be handy for other purposes, though.

"...probably not worthwhile discussing that" in the context of performance
analysis.

>>> I have to say it's news to
>>> me that it's performance intensive, tests I did with Alan Brunelle a
>>> year or so ago showed it to be quite low impact.
>> I found some discussions on linux-btrace (Feburary 2006).
>> There is little information on how the alleged 2 percent impact has
>> been determined. Test cases seem to comprise formatting disks ...hmm.
> 
> It may sound strange, but formatting a large drive generates a huge
> flood of block layer events from lots of io queued and merged. So it's
> not a bad benchmark for this type of thing. And it's easy to test :-)

Just wondering to what degree this might resemble I/O workloads run
by customers in their data centers.

>>> You'd be silly to locally store traces, send them out over the network.
>> Will try this next and post complaints, if any, along with numbers.
> 
> Thanks! Also note that you do not need to log every event, just register
> a mask of interesting ones to decrease the output logging rate. We could
> so with some better setup for that though, but at least you should be
> able to filter out some unwanted events.

...and consequently try to scale down relay buffers, reducing the risk of
memory constraints caused by blktrace activation.

>> However, a fast network connection plus a second system for blktrace
>> data processing are serious requirements. Think of servers secured
>> by firewalls. Reading some counters in debugfs, sysfs or whatever
>> might be more appropriate for some one who has noticed an unexpected
>> I/O slowdown and needs directions for further investigation.
> 
> It's hard to make something that will suit everybody. Maintaining some
> counters in sysfs is of course less expensive when your POV is cpu
> cycles.

Counters are also cheaper with regard to memory consumption. Counters
are probably cause less side effects, but are less flexible than
full-blown traces.


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