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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] perf auxtrace: Change to use SMP memory barriers
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc:     Leo Yan <leo.yan@linaro.org>,
        Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
        Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
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On 27/05/21 11:11 am, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 10:54:56AM +0300, Adrian Hunter wrote:
>> On 19/05/21 5:03 pm, Leo Yan wrote:
>>> The AUX ring buffer's head and tail can be accessed from multiple CPUs
>>> on SMP system, so changes to use SMP memory barriers to replace the
>>> uniprocessor barriers.
>>
>> I don't think user space should attempt to be SMP-aware.
> 
> Uhh, what? It pretty much has to. Since userspace cannot assume UP, it
> must assume SMP.

Yeah that is what I meant, but consequently we generally shouldn't be
using functions called smp_<anything>

> 
>> For perf tools, on __x86_64__ it looks like smp_rmb() is only a compiler barrier, whereas
>> rmb() is a "lfence" memory barrier instruction, so this patch does not
>> seem to do what the commit message says at least for x86.
> 
> The commit message is somewhat confused; *mb() are not UP barriers
> (although they are available and useful on UP). They're device/dma
> barriers.
> 
>> With regard to the AUX area, we don't know in general how data gets there,
>> so using memory barriers seems sensible.
> 
> IIRC (but I ddn't check) the rule was that the kernel needs to ensure
> the AUX area is complete before it updates the head pointer. So if
> userspace can observe the head pointer, it must then also be able to
> observe the data. This is not something userspace can fix up anyway.
> 
> The ordering here is between the head pointer and the data, and from a
> userspace perspective that's a regular smp ordering. Similar for the
> tail update, that's between our reading the data and writing the tail,
> regular cache coherent smp ordering.
> 
> So ACK on the patch, it's sane and an optimization for both x86 and ARM.
> Just the Changelog needs work.

If all we want is a compiler barrier, then shouldn't that be what we use?
i.e. barrier()

> 
>>> Signed-off-by: Leo Yan <leo.yan@linaro.org>
>>> ---
>>>  tools/perf/util/auxtrace.h | 6 +++---
>>>  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/tools/perf/util/auxtrace.h b/tools/perf/util/auxtrace.h
>>> index 472c0973b1f1..8bed284ccc82 100644
>>> --- a/tools/perf/util/auxtrace.h
>>> +++ b/tools/perf/util/auxtrace.h
>>> @@ -452,7 +452,7 @@ static inline u64 auxtrace_mmap__read_snapshot_head(struct auxtrace_mmap *mm)
>>>  	u64 head = READ_ONCE(pc->aux_head);
>>>  
>>>  	/* Ensure all reads are done after we read the head */
>>> -	rmb();
>>> +	smp_rmb();
>>>  	return head;
>>>  }
>>>  
>>> @@ -466,7 +466,7 @@ static inline u64 auxtrace_mmap__read_head(struct auxtrace_mmap *mm)
>>>  #endif
>>>  
>>>  	/* Ensure all reads are done after we read the head */
>>> -	rmb();
>>> +	smp_rmb();
>>>  	return head;
>>>  }
>>>  
>>> @@ -478,7 +478,7 @@ static inline void auxtrace_mmap__write_tail(struct auxtrace_mmap *mm, u64 tail)
>>>  #endif
>>>  
>>>  	/* Ensure all reads are done before we write the tail out */
>>> -	mb();
>>> +	smp_mb();
>>>  #if BITS_PER_LONG == 64 || !defined(HAVE_SYNC_COMPARE_AND_SWAP_SUPPORT)
>>>  	pc->aux_tail = tail;
>>>  #else
>>>
>>