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Subject: Re: [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal
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On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 08:52:24AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 03:13:44PM +1000, David Gibson wrote:
>=20
> > > We can still consider it a single "address space" from the IOMMU
> > > perspective. What has happened is that the address table is not just a
> > > 64 bit IOVA, but an extended ~80 bit IOVA formed by "PASID, IOVA".
> >=20
> > True.  This does complexify how we represent what IOVA ranges are
> > valid, though.  I'll bet you most implementations don't actually
> > implement a full 64-bit IOVA, which means we effectively have a large
> > number of windows from (0..max IOVA) for each valid pasid.  This adds
> > another reason I don't think my concept of IOVA windows is just a
> > power specific thing.
>=20
> Yes
>=20
> Things rapidly get into weird hardware specific stuff though, the
> request will be for things like:
>   "ARM PASID&IO page table format from SMMU IP block vXX"

So, I'm happy enough for picking a user-managed pagetable format to
imply the set of valid IOVA ranges (though a query might be nice).

I'm mostly thinking of representing (and/or choosing) valid IOVA
ranges as something for the kernel-managed pagetable style
(MAP/UNMAP).

> Which may have a bunch of (possibly very weird!) format specific data
> to describe and/or configure it.
>=20
> The uAPI needs to be suitably general here. :(
>=20
> > > If we are already going in the direction of having the IOASID specify
> > > the page table format and other details, specifying that the page
> > > tabnle format is the 80 bit "PASID, IOVA" format is a fairly small
> > > step.
> >=20
> > Well, rather I think userspace needs to request what page table format
> > it wants and the kernel tells it whether it can oblige or not.
>=20
> Yes, this is what I ment.
>=20
> Jason
>=20

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