Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:206:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id 6csp435047pxj; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyqoulBXyxnMMI5Yby1RayvU2d4oAyt6kezlxA3GsGm7awbBj0kl7Vgl6oBhIetzaotjMf2 X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:ce4a:: with SMTP id se10mr3018170ejb.235.1623405341128; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:55:41 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1623405341; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=P/huXgSOZP0rbgYiLfUnpnKT48hnDZFHoQxKh2hk/JI5pssxQFNkd/gf+j9aMnhiU+ dFX3DlinmXGaMwmARBCX8QhpUHRg23X3x5v+4LRc4GnoJQou/4GtpMzp2LaIPNHsMARk eTdlyxmtWXtWxttlL+EJA1DMjkT2Yqt1BQWRLa4D1xKrQwj+vvVNbqutwl6v+dSeQYAo q8CS3tTTc6Gvq25vFIYmMJbQG8lbTbK8N36ntqo9/Xv+j4Hi4oGaV5pqZKRNZjKdP5Ks zBTtjUdIeWlYCGC5osdEl10dcvDv271zruyhKR+0vsx4rr8a7FUViZQhjhWwBjbBvkxB GXTQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=nM5/liHI4mBnVFqICqorabn9Nri5+YLhbjToVRZg4UI=; b=0ynKgNKyE1V7yAwZIYGCx+BdgxyX8IasNbkPe6NTz8QpJ65weQRlwwS4Y1gAlp0NPe uiywbqTGxW6eCLwQfu9hmfSDQ9xnco3UHaByY7ijy57EldVY0uGe2v0YwR0N5WOJxss6 Gn8usH5qyuNkJdZZyFDMzd2c7d5e9ojB00ctNFO7fycBnKF/5csz40W5vrw+KnbblxuY SHomF0UtDZMLrYmf9IrDlgLTJrqU2BTzK/cVI7PE0koZOq8yns5eYuvUJxIQHRGm+sKf LFyHATzj36S3oSkuwoK2ohX10NaCf/e/98pn+CeC1gjcOQNFtuYUTeZ9oTEZsFhoHcDx eY1A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id b13si4458257edv.57.2021.06.11.02.55.18; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231638AbhFKJyn (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 11 Jun 2021 05:54:43 -0400 Received: from wtarreau.pck.nerim.net ([62.212.114.60]:55646 "EHLO 1wt.eu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229480AbhFKJym (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Jun 2021 05:54:42 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by pcw.home.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 15B9pm8p026247; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 11:51:48 +0200 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 11:51:48 +0200 From: Willy Tarreau To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab Cc: Toke =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= , Shuah Khan , Steven Rostedt , Laurent Pinchart , Konstantin Ryabitsev , "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" , David Hildenbrand , James Bottomley , Greg KH , Christoph Lameter , "Theodore Ts'o" , Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off Message-ID: <20210611095148.GC25968@1wt.eu> References: <5038827c-463f-232d-4dec-da56c71089bd@metux.net> <20210610182318.jrxe3avfhkqq7xqn@nitro.local> <20210610152633.7e4a7304@oasis.local.home> <37e8d1a5-7c32-8e77-bb05-f851c87a1004@linuxfoundation.org> <87tum5uyrq.fsf@toke.dk> <20210611025942.GE25638@1wt.eu> <20210611111248.250e6da8@coco.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210611111248.250e6da8@coco.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:13:07AM +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > The only thing is that it can be quite intimidating for > > local participants who are too shy of standing up in front of a > > microphone and everyone else. > > If someone is shy, he/she could simply type the question as a > remote participant would do. +1 > This should work fine for a normal speech, but for BoFs and the > usual "round table" discussions we have at Kernel Maintainers, > this may not work well for local participants. Indeed but for this one the problem is the same with those who are not much at ease with oral english. It's difficult to insert oneself into a discussion flow between multiple people speaking fast and naturally understanding what they're saying without having to think. So this situation is not new, and actually this ability to interact quickly is what makes such events profitable to a group, even if not everyone can participate at the same level. In such a case, it's the moderator's job to observe that some people want to say something and probably need a second or two of silence and concentration first. And this works both for local and remote ones. Willy