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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 16/17] media: v4l2-subdev: De-deprecate init() subdev
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To:     Jacopo Mondi <jacopo@jmondi.org>
Cc:     Jacopo Mondi <jacopo+renesas@jmondi.org>,
        kieran.bingham+renesas@ideasonboard.com,
        laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com,
        niklas.soderlund+renesas@ragnatech.se, geert@linux-m68k.org,
        Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
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        linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@iki.fi>
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From:   Hans Verkuil <hverkuil-cisco@xs4all.nl>
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Date:   Mon, 14 Jun 2021 11:55:30 +0200
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On 14/06/2021 11:45, Jacopo Mondi wrote:
> Hi Hans,
>    thanks for your reply
> 
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 10:51:25AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
>> On 12/04/2021 11:34, Jacopo Mondi wrote:
>>> The init() subdev core operation is deemed to be deprecated for new
>>> subdevice drivers. However it could prove useful for complex
>>> architectures to defer operation that require access to the
>>> communication bus if said bus is not available (or fully configured)
>>> at the time when the subdevice probe() function is run.
>>>
>>> As an example, the GMSL architecture requires the GMSL configuration
>>> link to be configured on the host side after the remote subdevice
>>> has completed its probe function. After the configuration on the host
>>> side has been performed, the subdevice registers can be accessed through
>>> the communication bus.
>>>
>>> In particular:
>>>
>>> 	HOST			REMOTE
>>>
>>> 	probe()
>>> 	   |
>>> 	   ---------------------> |
>>> 				  probe() {
>>> 				     bus config()
>>> 				  }
>>> 	   |<--------------------|
>>> 	v4l2 async bound {
>>> 	    bus config()
>>> 	    call subdev init()
>>> 	   |-------------------->|
>>> 				 init() {
>>> 				     access register on the bus()
>>> 				}
>>> 	   |<-------------------
>>> 	}
>>>
>>> In the GMSL use case the bus configuration requires the enablement of the
>>> noise immunity threshold on the remote side which ensures reliability
>>> of communications in electrically noisy environments. After the subdevice
>>> has enabled the threshold at the end of its probe() sequence the host
>>> side shall compensate it with an higher signal amplitude. Once this
>>> sequence has completed the bus can be accessed with noise protection
>>> enabled and all the operations that require a considerable number of
>>> transactions on the bus (such as the image sensor configuration
>>> sequence) are run in the subdevice init() operation implementation.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Jacopo Mondi <jacopo+renesas@jmondi.org>
>>> ---
>>>  include/media/v4l2-subdev.h | 15 ++++++++++++---
>>>  1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/include/media/v4l2-subdev.h b/include/media/v4l2-subdev.h
>>> index d0e9a5bdb08b..3068d9940669 100644
>>> --- a/include/media/v4l2-subdev.h
>>> +++ b/include/media/v4l2-subdev.h
>>> @@ -148,9 +148,18 @@ struct v4l2_subdev_io_pin_config {
>>>   *	each pin being configured.  This function could be called at times
>>>   *	other than just subdevice initialization.
>>>   *
>>> - * @init: initialize the sensor registers to some sort of reasonable default
>>> - *	values. Do not use for new drivers and should be removed in existing
>>> - *	drivers.
>>> + * @init: initialize the subdevice registers to some sort of reasonable default
>>> + *	values. Do not use for new drivers (and should be removed in existing
>>> + *	ones) for regular architectures where the image sensor is connected to
>>> + *	the host receiver. For more complex architectures where the subdevice
>>> + *	initialization should be deferred to the completion of the probe
>>> + *	sequence of some intermediate component, or the communication bus
>>> + *	requires configurations on the host side that depend on the completion
>>> + *	of the probe sequence of the remote subdevices, the usage of this
>>> + *	operation could be considered to allow the devices along the pipeline to
>>> + *	probe and register in the media graph and to defer any operation that
>>> + *	require actual access to the communication bus to their init() function
>>> + *	implementation.
>>
>> I don't like de-deprecating init. It was deprecated for a good reason, and
>> I'd like to keep it that way.
> 
> I see, fair enough :)
> 
>>
>> There are two alternatives: one is a bit quick-and-dirty, the other is a hint
>> towards a more generic solution (just a hint since it will require more research):
>>
>> 1) Quick-and-dirty: use the core callback op to create a custom INIT callback.
>> This depends on this patch:
>>
>> https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/project/linux-media/patch/20210610214305.4170835-8-arnd@kernel.org/
>>
>> This will make it clear to the reader that this is a highly specific interaction
>> between two drivers that are tightly coupled. It works in the current situation,
>> but not if we want to make this more generic.
> 
> Depends what you mean with 'generic' :) I think such a solution would
> slightly abuse a generic API like 'command' is, but the GMSL
> deserializers/serializers are tighly coupled by definition, so this is
> less a concern, as long as we have a single driver for the whole
> camera module. If we're going to split it in 3 subdev drivers then
> yes, they will all have to implement .command() and they can be used
> with in isolation with a generic receiver driver.
> 
>>
>> 2) Subdev drivers can implement the registered() op which is called by
>> v4l2_device_register_subdev(). This in turn is called from v4l2_async_match_notify().
>>
>> What you want is that when max9286 calls v4l2_async_subdev_notifier_register, it
>> can set a flag or something indicating that initialization has to be postponed.
>> Then, when v4l2_async_match_notify() calls the register() callback, that flag can
>> be read. If false, then the register() callback will initialize the device, if
>> true then that won't happen. Instead, it will do that when the max9286 calls a
>> post_register() callback.
> 
> 2 questions to help me better understand this:
> 1) s/register()/registered() in this paragraph ?

Yes, sorry.

> 2) $ git grep post_register drivers/media/ include/media/
>    gives me back nothing.
> 
>    Are you suggesting a new operation ?

Yes, that would be a new op.

Regards,

	Hans

> 
> Thanks
>    j
> 
>>
>> This is a lot more work (and research, since this is just a brainstorm from my
>> side), but it is a way towards making this a generic solution.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> 	Hans
>>
>>>   *
>>>   * @load_fw: load firmware.
>>>   *
>>> --
>>> 2.31.1
>>>
>>