Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754233AbWKHE53 (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:57:29 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754235AbWKHE53 (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:57:29 -0500 Received: from mail1.webmaster.com ([216.152.64.169]:33287 "EHLO mail1.webmaster.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754229AbWKHE52 (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:57:28 -0500 From: "David Schwartz" To: "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" Subject: RE: Faustian Pact between Novell and Microsoft Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:57:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4550E910.6010107@wolfmountaingroup.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authenticated-Sender: joelkatz@webmaster.com X-Spam-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:00:29 -0800 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 206.171.168.138 X-Return-Path: davids@webmaster.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Reply-To: davids@webmaster.com X-MDAV-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:00:30 -0800 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2648 Lines: 59 > > > /"Microsoft made it clear that only SUSE users and developers, as well > as unsalaried Linux developers, are protected. 'Let me be clear about > one thing, we don't license our intellectual property to Linux because > of the way Linux licensing GPL framework works, that's not really a > possibility,' said Microsoft chief executive, Steve Ballmer. 'Novell is > actually just a proxy for its customers, and it's only for its > customers,' he added. 'This does not apply to any forms of Linux other > than Novell's SUSE Linux. And if people want to have peace and > interoperability, they'll look at Novell's SUSE Linux. If they make > other choices, they have all of the compliance and intellectual property > issues that are associated with that.'" > > > > And those lights are bright indeed .... Maybe I'm dense, but doesn't the GPL say: 7. If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License. If you cannot distribute so as to satisfy simultaneously your obligations under this License and any other pertinent obligations, then as a consequence you may not distribute the Program at all. If SUSE Linux contains derivative works of GPL'd works that Novell wants to distribute, they must ensure that their customers may engage in royalty-free redistribution and that the recipients of the redistribution can lawfully engage in the expected use. And of course: You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. How can they do that if licensing the work requires licensing patents that Novell has no right to license? It seems absolutely 100% clear to me that you cannot distribute under the GPL a work whose ordinary use requires obtaining a patent license that is not freely avialable to anyone who possess the work. You cannot distribute a GPL'd work with a non-shareable "right to use" that work. If that's not precisely what section 7 is trying to say, what else could it possibly mean? DS - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/