Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754489AbWKHJxo (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Nov 2006 04:53:44 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754490AbWKHJxo (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Nov 2006 04:53:44 -0500 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.181]:65272 "EHLO smtpout.mac.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754489AbWKHJxn (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Nov 2006 04:53:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3aa654a40611072111k4b22b42xcfebff9faeb68a88@mail.gmail.com> References: <4550E910.6010107@wolfmountaingroup.com> <3aa654a40611072111k4b22b42xcfebff9faeb68a88@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: davids@webmaster.com, "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kyle Moffett Subject: Re: Faustian Pact between Novell and Microsoft Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 04:53:36 -0500 To: Avuton Olrich X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2247 Lines: 50 On Nov 08, 2006, at 00:11:05, Avuton Olrich wrote: > On 11/7/06, David Schwartz wrote: >> How can they do that if licensing the work requires licensing >> patents that Novell has no right to license? > > rtfa: http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html > > May not be correct, but it's an answer nonetheless :) I'm not a lawyer, but from my understanding of the GPL and that page: > Our agreement with Microsoft is focused on our customers, and does > not include a patent license or covenant not to sue from Microsoft > to Novell (or, for that matter, from Novell to Microsoft). So the agreement says nothing about Novell <=> Microsoft patent issues or lawsuits. > Novell's customers receive a covenant not to sue directly from > Microsoft. > [...] > Novell's end user customers receive a covenant not to sue directly > from Microsoft for their use of Novell products and services, but > these activities are outside the scope of the GPL. But it does say that Microsoft agrees not to sue Novell's customers over patent issues in the GPL software that Novell distributes to its customers. What this means is that Novell's customers effectively have patent licenses from Microsoft permitting them to use any GPL software distributed by Novell involving Microsoft's patents. The real question is how this affects Novell's customers. Can they distribute GPL'd software that "infringes" on a Microsoft patent? They have the rights to use that software but anyone who received that software from them would not, therefore according to the GPL they may not distribute at all, right? In my opinion the only way that Novell's customers could legally distribute such "infringing" software would be by waiving the protection offered them by Microsoft through Novell. Of course, this also means that it would be illegal for Microsoft to distribute such software; but I doubt that's likely to be an issue. Cheers, Kyle Moffett - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/