Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:36:45 -0800
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
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       Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Subject: Re: A proposal; making 2.6.20 a bugfix only version.
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:26:41 +0100
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 14:51 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 23:22:11 +0100
> > Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > > - A while back, akpm made some statements about being worried that the
> > > > 2.6 kernel is getting buggier
> > > > (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6069363.html).
> > > 
> > > and at this years Kernel Summit actual data
> > 
> > Not true.  70% of surveyed users had hit a new kernel bug. 

<funny, I could have sworn I had some additional text in here.  Where'd it go?>

> 70% of surveyed users hit ANY kernel bug. Not "new bugs"
> Including "my new wizzbang hardware doesn't work" and "I'll try
> something new, oh looky a 4 year old bug" and "this new feature isn't
> quite mature yet now that I try it".
> 
> One of the things that happened was during early 2.6 udev broke left and
> right ABI wise. We've gotten a lot better at that, and that's the kind
> of bug that hits a really wide audience.
> 
> Statistics can be misleading ... bigtime.
> 83% of the people also said things were not getting less reliable in
> 2.6.
> 

70% hit a bug
1/7th think it's deteriorating
1/4th think lkml response is inadequate
3/5ths think bugzilla response is inadequate
2/5ths think we have features-vs-stability wrong
2/3rds hit a bug.  Of those, 1/3rd remain unfixed
1/5th of users are presently impacted by a kernel bug

Happy with that?
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