Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1946249AbWKJKLQ (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:11:16 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1946254AbWKJKLQ (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:11:16 -0500 Received: from outpipe-village-512-1.bc.nu ([81.2.110.250]:8064 "EHLO lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1946249AbWKJKLP (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:11:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [patch 13/19] GTOD: Mark TSC unusable for highres timers From: Alan Cox To: Ingo Molnar Cc: Andrew Morton , tglx@linutronix.de, Andi Kleen , john stultz , LKML , Len Brown , Arjan van de Ven , Roman Zippel In-Reply-To: <20061110085728.GA14620@elte.hu> References: <20061109233030.915859000@cruncher.tec.linutronix.de> <20061109233035.569684000@cruncher.tec.linutronix.de> <1163121045.836.69.camel@localhost> <200611100610.13957.ak@suse.de> <1163146206.8335.183.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061110005020.4538e095.akpm@osdl.org> <20061110085728.GA14620@elte.hu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:14:30 +0000 Message-Id: <1163153670.7900.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-1.fc5.5) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1003 Lines: 25 Ar Gwe, 2006-11-10 am 09:57 +0100, ysgrifennodd Ingo Molnar: > AFAIK Windows doesnt use it, so it's a continuous minefield for new > hardware to break. Windows uses it extensively especially games. The AMD desync upset a lot of Windows gamers. > We should wait until CPU makers get their act together and implement a > TSC variant that is /architecturally promised/ to have constant > frequency (system bus frequency or whatever) and which never stops. This will never happen for the really big boxes, light is just too slow... Our current TSC handling is not perfect but the TSC is often quite usable. If hrtimer needs and requires we stop TSC support then we should delay the merge of HRTIMERS until these new processors are out and common ;) Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/