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Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 6/6] iommu: Remove mode argument from
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From:   Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
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Date:   Tue, 22 Jun 2021 23:25:14 +0100
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On 2021-06-21 15:32, Lu Baolu wrote:
> Hi Robin,
> 
> On 2021/6/21 19:59, Robin Murphy wrote:
>> On 2021-06-21 11:34, John Garry wrote:
>>> On 21/06/2021 11:00, Lu Baolu wrote:
>>>>> void iommu_set_dma_strict(bool force)
>>>>> {
>>>>>           if (force == true)
>>>>>          iommu_dma_strict = true;
>>>>>      else if (!(iommu_cmd_line & IOMMU_CMD_LINE_STRICT))
>>>>>          iommu_dma_strict = true;
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> So we would use iommu_set_dma_strict(true) for a) and b), but 
>>>>> iommu_set_dma_strict(false) for c).
>>>>
>>>> Yes. We need to distinguish the "must" and "nice-to-have" cases of
>>>> setting strict mode.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I am not sure what you want to do with the accompanying print 
>>>>> for c). It was:
>>>>> "IOMMU batching is disabled due to virtualization"
>>>>>
>>>>> And now is from this series:
>>>>> "IOMMU batching disallowed due to virtualization"
>>>>>
>>>>> Using iommu_get_dma_strict(domain) is not appropriate here to know 
>>>>> the current mode (so we know whether to print).
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that this change would mean that the current series would 
>>>>> require non-trivial rework, which would be unfortunate so late in 
>>>>> the cycle.
>>>>
>>>> This patch series looks good to me and I have added by reviewed-by.
>>>> Probably we could make another patch series to improve it so that the
>>>> kernel optimization should not override the user setting.
>>>
>>> On a personal level I would be happy with that approach, but I think 
>>> it's better to not start changing things right away in a follow-up 
>>> series.
>>>
>>> So how about we add this patch (which replaces 6/6 "iommu: Remove 
>>> mode argument from iommu_set_dma_strict()")?
>>>
>>> Robin, any opinion?
>>
>> For me it boils down to whether there are any realistic workloads 
>> where non-strict mode *would* still perform better under 
>> virtualisation. The 
> 
> At present, we see that strict mode has better performance in the
> virtualization environment because it will make the shadow page table
> management more efficient. When the hardware supports nested
> translation, we may have to re-evaluate this since there's no need for
> a shadowing page table anymore.

I guess I was assuming that in most cases, proper nested mode could look 
distinct enough that we'd be able to treat it differently in the first 
place. For instance, if it's handing guest tables directly to the 
hardware, would the host have any reason to still set the "caching mode" 
ID bit?

Robin.