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Date:   Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:01:56 +0300
From:   Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To:     Werner Sembach <wse@tuxedocomputers.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 17/17] drm/amd/display: Add handling for new
 "Broadcast RGB" property
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 11:28:57 +0200
Werner Sembach <wse@tuxedocomputers.com> wrote:

> Am 22.06.21 um 09:29 schrieb Pekka Paalanen:
> > On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 11:11:16 +0200
> > Werner Sembach <wse@tuxedocomputers.com> wrote:
> > =20
> >> This commit implements the "Broadcast RGB" drm property for the AMD GPU
> >> driver.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Werner Sembach <wse@tuxedocomputers.com>
> >> ---
> >>  .../gpu/drm/amd/display/amdgpu_dm/amdgpu_dm.c | 22 ++++++++++++++-----
> >>  .../display/amdgpu_dm/amdgpu_dm_mst_types.c   |  4 ++++
> >>  2 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> >>
> >> diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/display/amdgpu_dm/amdgpu_dm.c b/drive=
rs/gpu/drm/amd/display/amdgpu_dm/amdgpu_dm.c
> >> index 9ffd2f9d3d75..c5dbf948a47a 100644
> >> --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/display/amdgpu_dm/amdgpu_dm.c
> >> +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/display/amdgpu_dm/amdgpu_dm.c
> >> @@ -5252,7 +5252,8 @@ get_aspect_ratio(const struct drm_display_mode *=
mode_in)
> >>  }
> >> =20
> >>  static enum dc_color_space
> >> -get_output_color_space(const struct dc_crtc_timing *dc_crtc_timing)
> >> +get_output_color_space(const struct dc_crtc_timing *dc_crtc_timing,
> >> +		       enum drm_mode_color_range preferred_color_range)
> >>  {
> >>  	enum dc_color_space color_space =3D COLOR_SPACE_SRGB;
> >> =20
> >> @@ -5267,13 +5268,17 @@ get_output_color_space(const struct dc_crtc_ti=
ming *dc_crtc_timing)
> >>  		 * respectively
> >>  		 */
> >>  		if (dc_crtc_timing->pix_clk_100hz > 270300) {
> >> -			if (dc_crtc_timing->flags.Y_ONLY)
> >> +			if (dc_crtc_timing->flags.Y_ONLY
> >> +					|| preferred_color_range =3D=3D
> >> +						DRM_MODE_COLOR_RANGE_LIMITED_16_235)
> >>  				color_space =3D
> >>  					COLOR_SPACE_YCBCR709_LIMITED;
> >>  			else
> >>  				color_space =3D COLOR_SPACE_YCBCR709; =20
> > Hi,
> >
> > does this mean that amdgpu would be using a property named "Broadcast
> > RGB" to control the range of YCbCr too? =20
>=20
> Yes, because I avoided creating a new property, but I'm not really happy =
with it either.
>=20
> Possibility 1: Use "Broadcast RGB" for Y'CbCr too and clarify in document=
ation
> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - still confusing name
> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - limited does not mean something a little bit differe=
nt for Y'CbCr and not strictly 16-235:
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.12/userspace-api/media/v4l/colorspaces=
-defs.html#c.V4L.v4l2_quantization , but name
> of option is given by preexisting property
>=20
> Possibility 2: Deprecate "Broadcast RGB" and a a more neutral sounding "p=
referred color range", with the more neutral
> sounding "limited" option instead of "Limited 16:235"
> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - What's the relation between the 2? pq mentioned on t=
he amdgpu
> gitlab that there is a posibility for userspace to have only the new
> or the old one shown

It's just an idea that we could decide to expose only one or the other
property. It would need to be engineered in code, go through the UAPI
validation with userspace etc. I'm not aware of this being done before
exactly like this, but DRM client caps exist.

> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Alternatively ignore "Broadcast RGB" when "preferred=
 color range" is set and have them coexist?

Determining "is set" means we would need "unset" value for "preferred
color range". But there is no notion of who set it. If some KMS client
decides to set it, then it will likely remain set, even if you next
start another KMS client who does not use this property - it would just
confuse users when "Broadcast RGB" silently stopped working while it
still exists.

So I don't think this is a good solution.

When considering a new property, what I wrote just earlier fit here:
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2021-June/312248.html

There are more questions that just what does the limited range actually
mean.

> > That is surprising. If this is truly wanted, then the documentation of
> > "Broadcast RGB" must say that it applies to YCbCr too.
> >
> > Does amdgpu do the same as intel wrt. to the question about whose
> > responsibility it is to make the pixels at the connector to match the
> > set range? =20
>=20
> I guess the kernel driver does the conversion, but i have to check
> for both.
>=20
> For Intel I did not change the behavior of Boradcast RGB, but i think
> it's not clearly specified in the docs where the conversion happens.

Right, at the very least the current behaviour needs to be documented
before enrolling this property to any more drivers, so that those
drivers can then be reviewed to work the same way.

You notice I didn't actually answer your question 1 or 2. I don't know.
Going with 1 is easy compared to 2, even if the names are awkward but
it technically shouldn't cause any problems. 2 may or may not be
better, and until we have answers to which design is better, it's maybe
best to leave option 2 alone?


Thanks,
pq

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