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Date:   Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:59:41 -0400
From:   "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/1] xattr: Allow user.* xattr on symlink/special
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 04:01:42PM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> 
> Even if you fix symlinks, I don't think it fixes device nodes or
> anything else where the permissions bitmap isn't purely used as the
> permissions on the inode.

I think we're making a mountain out of a molehill.  Again, very few
people are using quota these days.  And if you give someone write
access to a 8TB disk, do you really care if they can "steal" 32k worth
of space (which is the maximum size of an xattr, enforced by the VFS).

OK, but what about character mode devices?  First of all, most users
don't have access to huge number of devices, but let's assume
something absurd.  Let's say that a user has write access to *1024*
devices.  (My /dev has 233 character mode devices, and I have write
access to well under a dozen.)

An 8TB disk costs about $200.  So how much of the "stolen" quota space
are we talking about, assuming the user has access to 1024 devices,
and the file system actually supports a 32k xattr.

    32k * 1024 * $200 / 8TB / (1024*1024*1024) = $0.000763 = 0.0763 cents

A 2TB SSD is less around $180, so even if we calculate the prices
based on SSD space, we're still talking about a quarter of a penny.

Why are we worrying about this?

						- Ted