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From:   John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
Date:   Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:00:05 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] firmware: QCOM_SCM: Allow qcom_scm driver to be loadable
 as a permenent module
To:     Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org>
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On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 10:01 PM Bjorn Andersson
<bjorn.andersson@linaro.org> wrote:
> On Tue 06 Jul 23:53 CDT 2021, John Stultz wrote:
> > Allow the qcom_scm driver to be loadable as a permenent module.
> >
> > This still uses the "depends on QCOM_SCM || !QCOM_SCM" bit to
> > ensure that drivers that call into the qcom_scm driver are
> > also built as modules. While not ideal in some cases its the
> > only safe way I can find to avoid build errors without having
> > those drivers select QCOM_SCM and have to force it on (as
> > QCOM_SCM=n can be valid for those drivers).
> >
> > Reviving this now that Saravana's fw_devlink defaults to on,
> > which should avoid loading troubles seen before.
> >
>
> Are you (in this last paragraph) saying that all those who have been
> burnt by fw_devlink during the last months and therefor run with it
> disabled will have a less fun experience once this is merged?
>

I guess potentially. So way back when this was originally submitted,
some folks had trouble booting if it was set as a module due to it
loading due to the deferred_probe_timeout expiring.
My attempts to change the default timeout value to be larger ran into
trouble, but Saravana's fw_devlink does manage to resolve things
properly for this case.

But if folks are having issues w/ fw_devlink, and have it disabled,
and set QCOM_SCM=m they could still trip over the issue with the
timeout firing before it is loaded (especially if they are loading
modules from late mounted storage rather than ramdisk).

> (I'm picking this up, but I don't fancy the idea that some people are
> turning the boot process into a lottery)

Me neither, and I definitely think the deferred_probe_timeout logic is
way too fragile, which is why I'm eager for fw_devlink as it's a much
less racy approach to handling module loading dependencies.  So if you
want to hold on this, while any remaining fw_devlink issues get
sorted, that's fine.  But I'd also not cast too much ire at
fw_devlink, as the global probe timeout approach for handling optional
links isn't great, and we need a better solution.

thanks
-john